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To: Forest Keeper

*** If we are free to sin, then we are free to sin. I think that you’re mixing up sin in general with specific actions upon an individual.

Wow, so if God had a specific plan for my neighbor to do a great thing tomorrow, then I would be perfectly free to thwart that plan by killing him today. Amazing. I didn’t realize that your side thought of man’s autonomy as being absolute. ***

Now, now. There is a big difference between sin - the commission or omission of something that is against God, and God’s intervention. If God absolutely has determined something to occur, then yes, it occurs. But I don’t think that God is the puppet master that the Reformed think He is. God is secure in His Creation and doesn’t need to micromanage it. I don’t see Christ as a neurotic.


6,065 posted on 06/02/2008 3:36:02 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; stfassisi; kosta50; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg
There is a big difference between sin - the commission or omission of something that is against God, and God’s intervention. If God absolutely has determined something to occur, then yes, it occurs. But I don’t think that God is the puppet master that the Reformed think He is. God is secure in His Creation and doesn’t need to micromanage it. I don’t see Christ as a neurotic. (emphasis added)

This is new. :) Do I understand correctly that you believe that God actually does have a "plan", which He takes infallible steps to implement, that cannot be thwarted by man's free will? From your statement it sounds like you do think He has a plan, but it is just on a much smaller scale than we think God's plan is. But, I don't want to put words into your mouth so I would just ask if you would care to elaborate a little bit.

6,088 posted on 06/03/2008 2:50:58 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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