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To: MarkBsnr
If God wanted every man to be saved, every man would be saved.

Or else men are stronger and more determined than God Himself. Which apparently your church teaches.

6,053 posted on 06/02/2008 11:47:19 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***If God wanted every man to be saved, every man would be saved.

Or else men are stronger and more determined than God Himself. Which apparently your church teaches.***

We must understand His teachings. He says that He wishes for all men to be saved. Yet He says that not all men will be saved. We must put those two concepts together and arrive at one conclusion.

It is not optional to ignore verses such as:

Matthew 7:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
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Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.’

It is not enough to believe. Even the demons believe: James 2:
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You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
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Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
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Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
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Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
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See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

It is required of us that we obey Jesus: 2 Thess 1:
and to grant rest along with us to you who are undergoing afflictions, at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his mighty angels,
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in blazing fire, inflicting punishment on those who do not acknowledge God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
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These will pay the penalty of eternal ruin, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power,

We also see that belief at one time can be rejected at another: John 8:
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Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples,
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and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

If you remain in My Word: this obviously means that Jesus tells them that it is possible to NOT remain in it and therefore they are lost.

1 Ti 2:3-6; 2 Pe 3:9.

All the world, yet not all will be saved.


6,055 posted on 06/02/2008 12:00:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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