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What, the devil uses the idea that God is sovereign and ordains what He wants to happen in order to get souls over to satan's side? Hmmm. I'm not sure how much sense that makes

It's called the sin of PRESUMTION that leads one to believe that God ordains their sin and has secured heaven.

The cause of PRESUMPTION is pride that leads one to think God will not punish or exclude them from heaven.

This leads to man thinking he does not have to give up his sinful life and there is no need for mortification and penance

This is exactly what the devil wants you to think!

It's called the sin of PRESUMTION...This leads to man thinking he does not have to give up his sinful life and there is no need for mortification and penance

I believe Christ. I believe Christ when He says He will lose none whom the Father has given Him, and that all who believe in Him as Lord and Savior will be saved.

It's too bad Trent teaches you otherwise. You're missing a great blessing from God to His family.

"Mortification" and "penance" come after we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit who then enables us to cast off the old man and to understand the spiritual things of God. On our own we can do thing to please God. "For whatsoever is not of faith is sin." (Romans 14:23)

When God turns a man's eyes from himself to Christ alone, that man will live a righteous life by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. That is what sanctification means.

We are justified once by Christ on the cross paying for our sins in full; we are sanctified every day of our lives by the Holy Spirit until we behold God's face.

It's called the sin of PRESUMTION that leads one to believe that God ordains their sin and has secured heaven. The cause of PRESUMPTION is pride that leads one to think God will not punish or exclude them from heaven.

I PRESUME that God's Holy word is His true and correct revelation to His children, and that it does not lie. I PRESUME that God is good for His promises. Have I sinned?

This leads to man thinking he does not have to give up his sinful life and there is no need for mortification and penance. This is exactly what the devil wants you to think!

It leads to no such thing UNLESS you PRESUME that God doles out defective new hearts, replacing junk with junk. If you believe that then you have a case. However, I don't think God operates that way, and He says He doesn't. A true new heart from God prevents this kind of thinking and the devil loses.

Ezek 36:26-27 : 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Our side trusts that God actually means this, and also that He's pretty good at it. :)