So does every Tom, Dick and Harriette. Not there there can be any chance of self delusion, or even outright insanity, right?
And notice that Paul didn't need another person to declare whether he was saved or lost
That was the appeal of Paul's gnostic approach: no one can prove you wrong!
The truly changed heart will not seek to sin in the way the Adamic heart did
And since there is no one who doesn't sin, there just aren't any truly changed hearts, and there are no truly "saved" (justified) people.
For Heaven, I don't agree that God judges based on how many God points we rack up during life
The Bible says we are to be judged for our deeds. It's that aprt of the Bible some choose not to see.
Instead they posit that the "points" are used to assign who gets to live in the heavenly penthouse, and who in the basement. Now, that's truly Biblical /sar/!
Therefore, the saved cannot be lost
Of course not. They will be in heaven. No one can snatch them from there! Trouble is, none of us is in heaven yet and some confuse heaven with earth.
Ping. Sorry forgot to include everyone on the list.
So does every Tom, Dick and Harriette. Not [that] there can be any chance of self delusion, or even outright insanity, right?
The Bible clearly tells us that there are some who delude themselves. They are the ones who will say "Lord, Lord". However, I am unfamiliar with the rule that says THIS MEANS that no one can be sure of his relationship with Christ. Honesty is what it takes, and Christians are capable of that.
FK: And notice that Paul didn't need another person to declare whether he was saved or lost.
That was the appeal of Paul's gnostic approach: no one can prove you wrong!
Paul knew that it was never God's plan to have the salvation of another declared or determined by self-aggrandizing men. Instead, He wanted personal one-on-one relationships with His children.
FK: The truly changed heart will not seek to sin in the way the Adamic heart did.
And since there is no one who doesn't sin, there just aren't any truly changed hearts, and there are no truly "saved" (justified) people.
I said "in the same way", not that sin is eliminated. A remnant of the old nature remains.
FK: Therefore, the saved cannot be lost.
Of course not. They will be in heaven. No one can snatch them from there! Trouble is, none of us is in heaven yet and some confuse heaven with earth.
In that case you must assert that ALL of the uses of the concept of the word "saved" in the Bible ONLY refer to the future. Is that your view? The text certainly says very differently. For example:
John 6:37-40 : 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
So, I can only surmise that your view is the Father doesn't give anyone to Christ until after they are dead? And, that no one comes to Christ until after they are already in Heaven? It just doesn't make any sense.