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To: stfassisi
Me too. But we must point to our disagreements, remembering that they are "in-house," and that the path towards full unity will be full of such. I suppose you're right, and I certainly trust we can do it with respect for each other

But Macarthur can't preach against infant baptism to other protestants... oh OK. See protestants have those 'in house' disagreements which don't cause them to break fellowship either. Same as you.

5,766 posted on 05/24/2008 6:59:56 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal; kosta50; Kolokotronis
There is a huge difference ,Dear sister

Eastern Orthodox are not anti-western Catholicism and Catholic's are not anti Orthodox.

This MaC Arther guy is a hate monger like Obama’s pastor.

He preaches that Catholic's are not Christians.

You're talking apples and oranges.

5,772 posted on 05/24/2008 7:16:26 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: Terriergal; kosta50; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; MarkBsnr

Just so you know.

This Mac Arthur guy you’re defending says this...

The Bible nowhere speaks of the eternal sonship of Christ . . . .He was always God, but He became Son. He had not always had the title of Son. That is His incarnation title. Eternally He is God, but only from His incarnation has He been Son . . . . Christ was not Son until His incarnation. Before that He was eternal God. It is therefore incorrect to say the (sic) Jesus Christ is eternally inferior to God because He goes under the title of Son. He is no “eternal Son” always subservient to God, always less than God, always under God. Sonship is an analogy to help us understand Christ’s essential relationship and willing submission to the Father for the sake of our redemption. As already mentioned, the today of verse 5 (Heb.1:5) shows that His sonship began in a point of time, not in eternity. His life as Son began in this world . . . .He was not a son until He was born into this world through the virgin birth . . . .The sonship of Christ is inextricably connected with His incarnation [emphasis his]. [John MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur New Testament Commentary—Hebrews (Chicago: Moody Press, 1983), pp. 22-23 (though in some editions the page numbering is different, see his comments under Hebrews 1:4-5).]

“. . . the terms ‘Father’ and ‘Son’ would have no significance before the incarnation.” (p. 5).

Some 900 years before Jesus was born God prophesied, “I will be a Father to Him, and He shall be a Son to Me” (Heb.1:5; 2 Sam. 7:14), indicating that in eternity past that, though there were always three persons in the Trinity, there were not yet the roles of Father and Son. Those designations apparently came into being only at the incarnation. In the announcement of Jesus’ birth to Mary, the angel Gabriel declared, “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High;...the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God” [Luke 1:32,35]. Son was a new name, never before applied to the second person of the Godhead except prophetically, as in Psalm 2:7, which is interpreted in Hebrews 1:5-6 as referring to the event of His incarnation. John wrote, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). Only when “the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us” as “the only begotten God” (John 1:14,18) did He take on the role and function of Son [emphasis his]. [John MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur New Testament Commentary—Galatians (Chicago: Moody Press, 1987), p.108 (see his comments under Galatians 4:4).]


5,797 posted on 05/24/2008 11:09:08 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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