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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
Kosta: “And, the Church never elevates itself above the Scriptures because the Scriptures are what the Church agreed was what was believed.”

Kolo: Indeed not, but that said, one should never forget that the canon of the NT (and as read the OT too for that matter) is a creation of The Church, and that Church believed an taught then what Orthodoxy teaches today.

In that case I am being asked to simultaneously accept that the Church created the canon and has the sole authority to interpret the scriptures into whatever it says is correct, HOWEVER, the Church is not above the scriptures. That is simply unreasonable. What you are asking me to accept is that an author is not above his own novel, a composer is not above his own score, and an artist is not above his own painting.

5,741 posted on 05/23/2008 2:18:12 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi

“In that case I am being asked to simultaneously accept that the Church created the canon and has the sole authority to interpret the scriptures into whatever it says is correct, HOWEVER, the Church is not above the scriptures.”

You misunderstand. The Church created the canon by determining which of the writings which claimed to be inspired by God and were “contending” for use by Christians were consistent with what The Church always and everywhere believed. The Church had and has sole authority to make that determination. The Church is the repository of The Truth and the scriptures are used to teach The Truth, which they in great measure reflect, to mankind. To this extent The Church is not above the scriptures because The Church in recognizing, explaining and teaching The Truth is not above it nor is it its creator.


5,742 posted on 05/23/2008 3:45:35 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; ...
In that case I am being asked to simultaneously accept that the Church created the canon and has the sole authority to interpret the scriptures into whatever it says is correct

In order for the Church to select the books of the canon ti had to be able to correctly interpret them. So, the collection and interpretation were all contained within the Church.

The Church is not above the scripture; the scipture is the collection made by the Church (presumably) based on correct interpretation (and some horse-trading to boot!).

Thus, the scripture reflects what the Church believed then and what it believes now.

5,786 posted on 05/24/2008 8:42:12 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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