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To: stfassisi; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
FK: "I said "IN control", which is a different idea from God pushing a button and all things happen. God does not push a button and then sin happens."

It seems you contradict yourself ,Dear Brother. Do you remember this series of posts we had.....

From post #4911 FK said -However, if He wanted you to prevent a mugging at the nudie bar, then you're going.""

...... The whole scenario you posted has God pushing the button for sin.

I stand by what I said. The distinction I am making is "action" verses "reaction". Pushing a button is "action". When a particular act is needed that is good, God "pushes a button" and the thing happens. It is God working through us. He is doing the good, and is the author, since He IS good.

It does not work like that for sin. God does not sin through us, since He IS good. Vis-a-vis God, sin is our REACTION to circumstances, our evil desires, whatever. We are responsible for our sin so there is no button-pushing by God here that authors the sin. God remains IN CONTROL, meaning all in His plan is accomplished. But, He does NOT author sin since He does not instill it in anyone and He does not "work through" a person to sin.

When we boil it all down, it comes down to the Apostolic view being that man is in control, OTHERWISE, God sins. This requires a very weak God, but it seems a small price to pay for man being in control, for man's sovereignty. The Reformed reject this view and see a powerful God who IS in control. We do not believe this requires God to sin. There IS a way for God to be in full control AND for man to be responsible for his own sin.

5,711 posted on 05/21/2008 1:59:40 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
FK-””The distinction I am making is “action” verses “reaction”. Pushing a button is “action”. When a particular act is needed that is good, God “pushes a button” and the thing happens.””

God does not need the nudie bar,the mugger or the person going to the nudie bar to accomplish goodness,Dear Brother.

There would not be a mugging in the first place if there was no nudie bar. That would be God's will!

To say that God planned and pushed a button is ridiculous!

As I said before....God would not want the nudie bar in the first place.

5,712 posted on 05/21/2008 2:55:17 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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