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To: Forest Keeper; aruanan; HarleyD; annalex; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
Your position, then, is that we cannot have God's word from Him.

My position is that everyone is subject to error, especially those who interpret privately. This is in agreement with Paul's statement to keep the tradition through words and epistles.

If the Bible quoted a prophecy from the Koran then I would believe it because it would be God's word

Then you are saying that the Book of Enoch is God's word? Why is it not in the canon?

That is unknown. What we do know is that God's Church, the Church of all believers, pretty much uniformly accepts (at least) the 66 books.

God's Church has 1.2 billion Catholics and 300 million Orthodox using 19 or 20 additional books. That doesn't add up to 66.

We know that it came from God if it is in the Bible

And how do we know that?

It seems fairly implausible to me that God would create an error-filled Bible (that winds up in men's hands) for the purpose of flawed men coming in later to repair it

And how do you know it's not part of God's "plan?" If it is happening, isn't it God's will according to the Reformed theology? You sure don't believe Adam's fall was accidental or a mistake. But it happened.

 It is much more difficult for us to accept that it is actually God who is in control and steering the ship

No, FK, it is much easier for men not to take responsiblity for their acts and say they are who threy are, what they are and where they are because God put them there. It's much easier for them to believe that they can fornicate 1,000 times a day (paraphrasing Luther) and that's okay as long as you cover yourself with Christ.

5,612 posted on 05/16/2008 8:32:42 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; aruanan; HarleyD; annalex; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
My position is that everyone is subject to error, especially those who interpret privately. This is in agreement with Paul's statement to keep the tradition through words and epistles.

But I thought you have said that in Paul's time THE TRADITION was full blown Judaism.

Then you are saying that the Book of Enoch is God's word? Why is it not in the canon?

No, I'm saying that that sentence in the Bible is God's word. If the full Book of Enoch was reproduced in the Bible, then that would be a different story, but it isn't. I quote from scripture all the time. That doesn't make my whole post God's word.

FK: "We know that it came from God if it is in the Bible."

And how do we know that?

Alright, "I and other Bible-believing Christians" know it. :) The Bible claims it is from God, and internal/external tests show that it is. Ultimately, Holy Spirit confirms God's word for us so that we can know it.

FK: "It seems fairly implausible to me that God would create an error-filled Bible (that winds up in men's hands) for the purpose of flawed men coming in later to repair it."

And how do you know it's not part of God's "plan?" If it is happening, isn't it God's will according to the Reformed theology?

The keys words are "for the purpose". First, for God to proceed as you suggest would be to admit error on its face. I don't think that the Bible ever shows that happening. Second, if He committed error for the purpose of man repairing His error, then He would be raising man up above Himself, thus showing His need for man's help. Also something He never does according to the Bible.

However, it certainly is, for whatever reason, God's plan for some men to think they are worthy to repair God's errors. He allowed it to happen by choosing not to protect them against their own aggrandizement.

5,667 posted on 05/19/2008 12:17:59 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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