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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg

“But you have confirmed my suspicions about the flawed Trinitarian views of the Reformed (I am not the least bit surprised!).”

I must admit I have not followed this post closely but I don’t understand your statement. The voluntary economic subordination of Jesus in the Godhead did nothing to devalue His deity, nor did the sending forth of the Holy Spirit to accomplish the purposes of the Godhead diminish His deity.

Phil. 2: 5-8, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

When Jesus says “no one comes to the Father but by me” or “O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,” He is speaking as the “God-man” for no one but God knows God and no one but God can give access to God. Jesus says He is the way, the truth, the life; only God can say that. And to prove it, He was raised from the dead. All others who claimed that are still dead.


5,597 posted on 05/16/2008 1:30:16 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
Phil. 2: 5-8, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

When Jesus says "no one comes to the Father but by me" or "O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee," He is speaking as the "God-man" for no one but God knows God and no one but God can give access to God. Jesus says He is the way, the truth, the life; only God can say that. And to prove it, He was raised from the dead. All others who claimed that are still dead.

Amen, b-d! Great Scripture and great exposition of that Scripture.

5,598 posted on 05/16/2008 2:02:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; ...
The voluntary economic subordination of Jesus in the Godhead did nothing to devalue His deity, nor did the sending forth of the Holy Spirit to accomplish the purposes of the Godhead diminish His deity

The voluntary economic subordination to the Godhead of Jesus through Incarnation, for the express purpose of our salvation, is no longer current. His mission has been accomplished (unlike some other!). While He was on earth, it was proper to pray to the Father because of that. But where does that leave the Giver of Life? If we are going to distinguish our prayers according to the Godhead's economy of our salvation, we are creating a Tiered Trinity and therefore an unholy one. God is one despite His economic subdivision. As the Creed says all three together are worshiped and glorified.

5,600 posted on 05/16/2008 2:51:28 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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