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To: kosta50
Did I not read you write you give sermons?

Where did you read that and when did I allegedly write such a nonsnese?

Post 5,499 5th line down from the top you wrote the following.

If I had to provide some credibility to my sermons I would certainly hope to convince people that God chose me. St. Paul's function was to save the Church from certain annihilation in Israel.

Your views would be "cultist" vis-a-vis the Church (for example, your belief in pre-existance of souls is rather Gnostic).

What Church? Since when is studying *ALL* Scripture as instructed makes one a "cultist". What Church are you speaking for? Christ is said the souls came from above and that first step in seeing the Kingdom of God was to be born of woman. He sure preached and taught that the soul existed before this flesh age. I do not know a thing about those Gnostic and I do not have the time or inclination to check them out.

As far as I am concerned, your views are simply your views, some of them being inherently self-contradicting. For example, you say that you "no longer take man's word for what Christ did, said..." except, of course, yours.

My words???? I quoted you Scripture after Scripture, remember John 1:1 the Word was/is God from "In the Beginning" and none of us have a clue when that specific date was. I did not write one word of it.

And what is your word, if not "man's word?" You place your word as the final arbiter of what is true Christ and what is not, elevating it above all else. Now, you will counter with the Holy Spirit inside of you and I will tell you that such is a silly argument since you not only can't prove it but I would venture to say that it is not really possible to know what it is. Furthermore, I submit to you that, like so many, you seem to know a whole lot of the Bible, but not a whole lot about the Bible, imo.

Have you now become a mind reader? Not one time have I put forth the notion that I got the Holy Spirit and thus I have credibility. I quoted you scripture time and time again..... Now there are occasions when the scribes and translators down through the ages put their mark on their translations, but there are avenues to search out what the original words used to pass on the intent of Scripture. My words do not mean squat.

Zechariah makes no mention of Jeremiah. You are making this up. Matthew simply made a mistake in his reference [Mat 27:9] attributing the quote to Jeremiah instead of Zechariah.

I said Zechariah did NOT reference Jeremiah, and Matthew did NOT make a mistake saying that Jeremy SPOKE the words. Matthew at least knew Jeremiah existed I have NO reason to NOT believe that Jeremiah did not SPEAK the words. Jeremiah had a whole lot to say, some of which is in the process of being fulfilled in these very days.

Try reading the Gospels, beginning with the Beatitudes. It's a good start.

What about the contrast, those WOES, to the Beatitudes in Matthew 23? Now what does it mean "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." What does this word Blessed mean?

5,556 posted on 05/14/2008 9:36:10 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Post 5,499 5th line down from the top you wrote the following. If I had to provide some credibility to my sermons

The operant word is if, in the context of Paul's ministry.  I was saying that it would make sense for anyone doing what he was doing to invoke God's choice to boost his credibility.

What Church are you speaking for?

There is only one Church, catholic and apostolic. 

Christ is said the souls came from above

Where does he say that?

He sure preached and taught that the soul existed before this flesh age

Where does he teach that?

I do not know a thing about those Gnostic and I do not have the time or inclination to check them out

That's fine with me. Like I said, every cult and sect finds itself in the Bible. Every group can 'justify' their beliefs from that source.

My words???? I quoted you Scripture after Scripture

Yeah, your words, the words that convince you that your reading of the Bible is trustworthy, while others' is not worth listening to. You listen to your own interpretations of what you consider to be trustworthy.

Quoting scripture means nothing. Demons can quote scripture too.

[T]here are occasions when the scribes and translators down through the ages put their mark on their translations, but there are avenues to search out what the original words used to pass on the intent of Scripture

I agree that scribes and translators "put their mark.,"  The avenues used to determine as close as possible the "original" is called textual criticism. the only problem is that when such methods find incompatible or clearly fraudulent verses added at a later date, they keep them! In fact, there is probably no other book in the world as doctored and changed by different men as the Bible. And yet it is presented as the "pristine" word of God.

I said Zechariah did NOT reference Jeremiah, and Matthew did NOT make a mistake saying that Jeremy SPOKE the words. Matthew at least knew Jeremiah existed I have NO reason to NOT believe that Jeremiah did not SPEAK the words.

This is what you wrote in 5544:

"Now the curious thing about this reference to Jeremiah is that Jeremiah did not write this down but he spoke it Zechariah 11:12 "

Let's post Mat 27:9 and Zech 11:12

Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: "They took the thirty silver coins, the price set on him by the people of Israel [Mat 27:9]

"So they paid me thirty pieces of silver." [Zech 11:12]

It is Matthew (not Zechariah) who says that this was spoken by Jeremiah. Nowhere in the OT is anyone giving credit for this to Jeremiah. So, how would Matthew know that it was Jeremiah when he is quoting Zechariah and Jeremiah makes no such a statement anywhere in the OT?

Was Matthew there when Jeremiah (500 years earlier) allegedly spoke it? Let's get real. This fairytale is getting too deep!

What about the contrast, those WOES, to the Beatitudes in Matthew 23?

What about them? The Woes tell all those who live unrighteous and immoral lives what is coming to them. And the Beatitudes say is telling all those who live righteous, and moral ones what is in store for them. No faith involved here. No salvation by faith. It's salvation or damnation by deeds. Jesus is preaching pure Judaism here.

So, in your life, ask yourself which one of those two is your life closer to. Are you imitating Christ or Pharisees and scribes?

5,559 posted on 05/15/2008 6:29:03 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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