No. I have no clue what the Heavenly Father said to Jeremiah, or even if God said anything to Jeremiah. Mohammad claims that Allah dictated the whole book of the Koran to him, word-by-word. Does that mean it really happened? Sure, if you already believe it did! The point is: there is nothing intrinsically true about the Bible unless you already believe it!
So IF God chose him why would God pick somebody who was so totally wrong about what Jeremiah had already penned
If I had to provide some credibility to my sermons I would certainly hope to convince people that God chose me. St. Paul's function was to save the Church from certain annihilation in Israel.
The Church did not go to the Gentiles because Christ taught it should (in fact he taught to the contrary), but out of desperation (Acts 13:46). And, while I am sure others tried, St. Paul was the man who was able to convince pagan Greeks to accept a Jewish sect in hopes of having eternal life. So, if God did choose St. Paul, it was not in order to prove Jeremiah spoke with God, but for Paul to show pagans that Jesus died for our sins.
Any church that ignores and clips out the words of Jeremiah are ignoring the voice of the Heavenly Father and even His saving Hands through His only begotten Son.
The Church would exist with or without Jeremiah, Samuel and Jonah to name just a few. The Church is built on what Jesus said and did, what's in the Gospels. The rest of the Bible either conforms to the Gospels or doesn't. Without the Gospels there is no Christianity. I think we can't say the same about Jeremiah.
And the Gospels are at least narratives of eyewitness accounts, not some prophet having visions, visual and auditory hallucinations or taking dictations from God. Big difference.
Moses pens not one word regarding the creation of the devil but yet the devil was there in the Garden and beguiled Eve with knowledge of good and evil..
You keep repeating this and I am telling you that there is no mention of any "devil" in the OT. The way you keep stressing "beguiled" I have a feleing you are one of those people who believes that Cain was the "product" of the serpent and Eve, an offspring of a sexual union between the serpent and Eve. Do you believe that?
What kind of snake was the 'serpent'?
Did I say it was a "snake?"
Another place says that the title/role of the serpent is another name for the devil.
In the Old Testament? Numbers 21:6 says "The LORD sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died." Fiery serpents? Do you know of any "fiery snakes?" And if your theory is correct then God was sending demons to kill people.
The only place I can find where serpent and devil are used synonymously is in Revelation (12:9, 20:2). But Revelation hardly matches anything in the Gospels. I have no clue what that book is doing in the New Testament except to scare people into believeing.
What kind of mythology are you making this mythical snake that could beguile ... means 'holy seduce' Eve by whispering sweet nothings into her ear?
I guess the same mythology of the Old Testament that would have us believe in talking donkeys (Num 22:30), which is also believed by the author of 2 Peter (2:16) who says "But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness." So, if we have a talking ass, why not a beguiling serpent? And what about talking trees, as in Judges 9:8-11 picking their "leader?"
After all, does not the Bible say that men can live in a belly of a fish for three days and live to tell about it, or that bats are birds? What kind of mythology is it to say that the earth sits on four pillars and earthquakes happen when God shakes the pillars? I think it's best we leave the fairytale stuff out of this (for now) and concentrate on the good stuff.
There is a whole lot of deception made up about what that 'original' sin was
Why in quotation marks?
ending up in a fig grove sewing together *FIG* leaves to cover up nakedness.... Just hmmmmmm to much for some churches to deal with cover their eyes and plug their ears...
It's in Genesis 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings."
So I will agree with you about the church making up a whole lot of pleasing to the ear junk to cover over what really took place....
But you don't, I suppose?
But hey Christ did say these things need be and it is up to the Heavenly Father to tear off the blinders to whomever He elects.
Actually, the NT says the Father gave the Son all the power on earth to judge so I would imagine it would be Christ tearing off the blinders, except you seem to emphasize the "Heavenly Father" as some "higher" authority.
Christ came to free us form the bondage of death by dying in exchange for us. He gave each and every one of us a second chance. God in His mercy gave everyone a ticket to heaven. That some won't use it is not God's choosing.
the devil was well described by Moses through out the Torah, and even in the Book of Job, and then oh never mind toooo deep for some minds.
Try me.
Based upon my study a generation has not passed since Christ left this earth
Mark 9:1 says "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power."
This couldn't be clearer: some of those who were listening to Jesus wold not even die before He returned. But, given the reality on the ground, the "undying generation" theory was an absolute must and that's why 2 Peter is in the canon!
Christ said fear not them which kill the body, (flesh) but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell
Well, we will have to decide if the soul is eternal or not. The OT says it isn't ("the soul that sinneth shall die"), but then you have souls that sinned in Sheol, obviously not dead! And the purpose for the lake of fire was to roast the devil and his angels (who have no bodies), and resurrected reprobates who didn't use their ticket for all eternity, so where does this destruction of bodes and souls fit in?
And at the pace you are going, there is not going to be much of the Bible... that anybody can pay attention to. Which most have been given the free will to make claims to protect their own system and call if of God. Nothing new there.
As I said earlier, everyone makes the Bible what they wish it to be. It goes both ways. That's why it's so popular. Every sect and cult can find itself in it.
Was not the purpose of the Mount of Transfiguration to demonstrate that body in 'spirit' loooooks just like the flesh body yet none were literally in flesh bodies.
It was a transfiguration of the existing body on Mt Tabor. Not a separate body. God created man body and soul. That is our natural state.
So are you saying that what the Heavenly Father said to Jeremiah was a LIE for the sole purpose to mislead people?
No. I have no clue what the Heavenly Father said to Jeremiah, or even if God said anything to Jeremiah. Mohammad claims that Allah dictated the whole book of the Koran to him, word-by-word. Does that mean it really happened? Sure, if you already believe it did! The point is: there is nothing intrinsically true about the Bible unless you already believe it!
First I need to say that I had no clue you are a preacher/priest or what ever title you carry. I will say that I have heard but never personally carried on a conversation with a person of your stature. That being said I will tell you I am but a mere student of and in the WORD. I was raised up in a 'cult' type religion and thanks be to the Heavenly Father through His only Begotten Son, had answer to my prayer that never again I would be in the position to go through another flesh being to gain that promise given that through Christ each individual has access to the Heavenly Father. So please do not take offense if I sound rebellious to the preacher/priest class.
Now just so you have a better idea where I have been, as result of my 'cult' type upbringing I totally and completely rejected the Bible as being the WORD, because I came observe the majority of people I encountered found the Bible as their personal 'tool' for their own posterity NOT as the instruction BOOK given to any who would seek life eternal as the instruction manual. See to let you know how far out there I went I read Shirley's book 'Out on a Limb' across the state of Kansas and Colorado as supposed higher learning on the way for a ski trip. A 'cult' is any religion that places themselves or their church in place of the WORD.
Regarding Jeremiah, and the fact that you have NO clue what the Heavenly Father said to him, is a rather odd thing for a man of the cloth to say. John 1:1 was not referring to just books in the action of being penned as John specifically refers back to 'In the Beginning' meaning Genesis 1:1. So how very sad for you to be preaching something that you could then claim there to be nothing intrinsically true unless one already believed it. Truth does not wait for believers.
So IF God chose him why would God pick somebody who was so totally wrong about what Jeremiah had already penned
If I had to provide some credibility to my sermons I would certainly hope to convince people that God chose me. St. Paul's function was to save the Church from certain annihilation in Israel.
Christ said 'feed my sheep' and He was not talking about literal physical food for physical nourishment. Now exactly how acceptable was Christ to the masses, or even Paul when he went on his travels. I would not be concerned with what the people think of your credibility but rather whether or not you have credibility in speaking for the Heavenly Father. If you are not speaking for Him .... the WORD ... then no big deal and since you have already said things only happen if you believe they did.
The Church did not go to the Gentiles because Christ taught it should (in fact he taught to the contrary), but out of desperation (Acts 13:46). And, while I am sure others tried, St. Paul was the man who was able to convince pagan Greeks to accept a Jewish sect in hopes of having eternal life. So, if God did choose St. Paul, it was not in order to prove Jeremiah spoke with God, but for Paul to show pagans that Jesus died for our sins.
Are you referring to Matthew 10:5- ..."Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: verse 6 But go rather to the *lost sheep* of the house of Israel. ???
This was the first instruction given to the disciples, and where did their work get taken? Then again "nothing is intrinsically true about the Bible unless you already believe it!"
Any church that ignores and clips out the words of Jeremiah are ignoring the voice of the Heavenly Father and even His saving Hands through His only begotten Son.
> The Church would exist with or without Jeremiah, Samuel and Jonah to name just a few. The Church is built on what Jesus said and did, what's in the Gospels. The rest of the Bible either conforms to the Gospels or doesn't. Without the Gospels there is no Christianity. I think we can't say the same about Jeremiah.
But of course churches all over this globe exist in spite of the fact they do not intrinsically consider the Bible, the WORD to be GOD. But now you bring in Jesus and what He said and did and what is in the Gospels. Now of course Jesus taught to the masses in parables... why? Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto Him, "Why speakest Thou unto them in parables?"
11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given....
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, (Isaiah 6:9, 10 ..) 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For *this* people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them'.
Now Christ just officially made Isaiah one and the same as the GOSPEL!!!
Then Christ says verse 18 *HEAR* ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.
This is he which received seed by the way side
I won't type the whole parable but we will get back to it later in a portion of your question ... in this post.
And the Gospels are at least narratives of eyewitness accounts, not some prophet having visions, visual and auditory hallucinations or taking dictations from God. Big difference.
Hey you got a problem with Christ quoting the prophets then you will get your opportunity to take that up with Him.
Moses pens not one word regarding the creation of the devil but yet the devil was there in the Garden and beguiled Eve with knowledge of good and evil..
You keep repeating this and I am telling you that there is no mention of any "devil" in the OT. The way you keep stressing "beguiled" I have a feleing you are one of those people who believes that Cain was the "product" of the serpent and Eve, an offspring of a sexual union between the serpent and Eve. Do you believe that?
Well what did Christ have to say??? Matthew 13:36 I won't type it all because I do not have much more time but you did say IF Christ said it or did it then it was 'real', so what did Christ say? Oh why is Cain not listed in Adam's genealogy? And why did Paul describe the Garden Party in IICorinthians as follows ...11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent *beguiled* (means holy seduced) Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
I did NOT pen what is Written, and I am NOT going to pretend it is NOT there to do so makes a mockery of Christ and what He did say and He did.
What kind of snake was the 'serpent'? Did I say it was a "snake?" Another place says that the title/role of the serpent is another name for the devil.
In the Old Testament? Numbers 21:6 says "The LORD sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died." Fiery serpents? Do you know of any "fiery snakes?" And if your theory is correct then God was sending demons to kill people.
The bite from a serpent/snake does cause a 'fiery' reaction to the flesh, so why would you assume this particular usage of serpents is describing unseen spirits. The 'serpent' in the Garden was very real, now what did God tell him his punishment would be Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, "Because thou hast done this thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruised thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.
Well her Seed has had His heel bruised but that serpent has not yet had it head chopped off.
The only place I can find where serpent and devil are used synonymously is in Revelation (12:9, 20:2). But Revelation hardly matches anything in the Gospels. I have no clue what that book is doing in the New Testament except to scare people into believeing.
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are what Christ said the things that need be ... John is taken in Spirit to the Lord's Day and describing what has gone one what is going on and what will go on. I won't disagree that the book is used to 'fear' monger but I suspect that the Heavenly Father knew this as well when He had John pen the Book.
t kind of mythology are you making this mythical snake that could beguile ... means 'holy seduce' Eve by whispering sweet nothings into her ear?
I guess the same mythology of the Old Testament that would have us believe in talking donkeys (Num 22:30), which is also believed by the author of 2 Peter (2:16) who says "But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness." So, if we have a talking ass, why not a beguiling serpent? And what about talking trees, as in Judges 9:8-11 picking their "leader?"
There is a bit of humor don't you think that God would make some preacher for hire own donkey speak for God to make that preacher do what God wanted him to do??? (I often wonder if this is not the reason the liberals picked a donkey as their animal of leadership ... 'you know' they got religion toooo.
The trees in Judges were NOT doing the talking but Jotham ... lifting up his voice crying saying... "Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God my hearken unto you." Then Jotham give what? a parable, then the parable is interpreted Judges 9:16-20. Now God Himself refers to Himself as a great fir tree, and note here in this parable that it is a bramble tree that is willing in truth to have their trust in his shadow, but if not let fire come out of the bramble and devour the cedars of Lebanon.
I do not have the time to go more into the allegory of the trees, but since you are familiar with the Bible I suppose start with every time the word 'fig' is used, after all Christ did say to learn the parable of the 'fig' tree. And the first allegory of trees in found in Genesis where there were two trees in the midst of the garden, the tree of life (Christ) and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (the devil, the serpent, etc....)
After all, does not the Bible say that men can live in a belly of a fish for three days and live to tell about it, or that bats are birds? What kind of mythology is it to say that the earth sits on four pillars and earthquakes happen when God shakes the pillars? I think it's best we leave the fairytale stuff out of this (for now) and concentrate on the good stuff.
Hey those people of Nivinah believed in Dagon the fish god, and so God prepared a 'fish' to spit Jonah out within their eyesight so these people would pay attention..... Did Christ have anything to say about Jonah????
re is a whole lot of deception made up about what that 'original' sin was
Why in quotation marks?
Because that is what a whole lot of people call that sin.
ending up in a fig grove sewing together *FIG* leaves to cover up nakedness.... Just hmmmmmm to much for some churches to deal with cover their eyes and plug their ears...
I was told from a small child it was an apple tree and when I began to read as Written I could not find an apple tree anywhere. Further I could not understand what kind of fruit I had ever eaten that made me aware I was naked.
So I will agree with you about the church making up a whole lot of pleasing to the ear junk to cover over what really took place....
But you don't, I suppose? But hey Christ did say these things need be and it is up to the Heavenly Father to tear off the blinders to whomever He elects.
Actually, the NT says the Father gave the Son all the power on earth to judge so I would imagine it would be Christ tearing off the blinders, except you seem to emphasize the "Heavenly Father" as some "higher" authority. Christ came to free us form the bondage of death by dying in exchange for us. He gave each and every one of us a second chance. God in His mercy gave everyone a ticket to heaven. That some won't use it is not God's choosing.
To Whom did Christ pray to? Certainly Mary was NEVER EVER involved in any of His prayers, He said Father which art in heaven....
the devil was well described by Moses through out the Torah, and even in the Book of Job, and then oh never mind toooo deep for some minds.
Try me.
I think I have.
Based upon my study a generation has not passed since Christ left this earth
Mark 9:1 says "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power." This couldn't be clearer: some of those who were listening to Jesus wold not even die before He returned. But, given the reality on the ground, the "undying generation" theory was an absolute must and that's why 2 Peter is in the canon!
Now what is the subject.... seeing the kingdom of God; And what did Christ do next? He took Peter, (remember Peter the one you do not believe what he penned,) James and John and He was transfigured before them.... was NOT in a flesh body. Flesh would die but not the soul ... to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD.... until judgment day then those that overcome are given life eternal and those that refuse are removed forever.
Christ said fear not them which kill the body, (flesh) but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell
Well, we will have to decide if the soul is eternal or not. The OT says it isn't ("the soul that sinneth shall die"), but then you have souls that sinned in Sheol, obviously not dead! And the purpose for the lake of fire was to roast the devil and his angels (who have no bodies), and resurrected reprobates who didn't use their ticket for all eternity, so where does this destruction of bodes and souls fit in?
Where do you get the notion that a soul has NO body after having the Mount of Transfiguration described? What part of to be absent from this flesh body is to be present with the Lord do you not understand. And where did you ever get the idea that the devil or angles do not have bodies? Is it because you have never literally with your flesh eyes observed you cannot believe...?
And at the pace you are going, there is not going to be much of the Bible... that anybody can pay attention to. Which most have been given the free will to make claims to protect their own system and call if of God. Nothing new there.
As I said earlier, everyone makes the Bible what they wish it to be. It goes both ways. That's why it's so popular. Every sect and cult can find itself in it.
Might me the case for the majority but I did NOT enter this phase of study wishing for anything but understanding. Once I found out that the majority use the Bible for their own wishes I became the ultimate skeptic. It is Written that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof,
for instruction in righteousness:
Even Jeremiah, Samuel and Jonah!!!!
Was not the purpose of the Mount of Transfiguration to demonstrate that body in 'spirit' loooooks just like the flesh body yet none were literally in flesh bodies.
It was a transfiguration of the existing body on Mt Tabor. Not a separate body. God created man body and soul. That is our natural state.
Ok I suppose this is one of those things that has to be experienced to understand.