FK- “”So far, so good.””
Than hitler and satan followed the will of God according to the reformed.Every abortion ,murder etc must be the will of God than.
God cannot Will evil,FK, or God would be in error and opposed with Himself,thus making God dualistic in His essence.
From Saint Aquinas(again)
That God cannot will Evil
EVERY act of God is an act of virtue, since His virtue is His essence
2. The will cannot will evil except by some error coming to be in the reason, at least in the matter of the particular choice there and then made. For as the object of the will is good, apprehended as such, the will cannot tend to evil unless evil be somehow proposed to it as good; and that cannot be without error.* But in the divine cognition there can be no error 3. God is the sovereign good, admitting no intermixture of evil 4. Evil cannot befall the will except by its being turned away from its end. But the divine will cannot be turned away from its end, being unable to will except by willing itself It cannot therefore will evil; and thus free will in it is naturally established in good. This is the meaning of the texts: God is faithful and without iniquity (Deut. xxxii, 4); Thine eyes are clean, O Lord, and thou canst not look upon iniquity (Hab. i, 13).
FK- “”Apparently, for Apostolics, freedom is DEFINED by the ability to thwart God's will. I have never understood that kind of thinking, and obviously disagree with it. God is omnipotent. No one can thwart His will.”
Freedom is DEFINED as obedience to the will of God that applies to each one of us individually. God is also just,FK. This means that the FREE choices we make between choosing good or evil have consequences of heaven and hell.
Stfassisi to FK-””I would like to know how you would try preach Christianity to the Jews by telling them that God “planned” for Hitler to kill millions of Jews?””
FK,””I wouldn't begin to pretend to speak for God's motives, so that's off the table.””
Perhaps this might help?
From Saint Aquinas
That there is not any Sovereign Evil, acting as the Principle of All Evils
A sovereign evil should be without participation in any good, as that is the sovereign good which is wholly removed from evil. But there cannot be any evil wholly removed from good, since evil is founded on good (Chap. XI).
2. If anything is sovereignly evil, it must be evil by its very essence, as that is sovereignly good which is good by its essence. But evil has no essence (Chap. VII).
3. That which is a first principle is not caused by anything. But all evil is caused by good (Chap. X). There is therefore no evil first principle.
5. The incidental must be posterior to the ordinary. But evil happens only incidentally and beside the intention (Chap. IV). Therefore it is impossible for evil to be a first principle.
Hereby is excluded the error of the Manicheans.
No, to follow there must be an expressed command and assent to follow it. That does not happen between God and satan, for example. God allows satan to do some things, but not others. In no case can it be said that satan is "obeying" God by choice. Many on your side always try to make it look like we think that God and satan are cooperating when nothing could be further from the truth.
God cannot Will evil,FK, or God would be in error and opposed with Himself,thus making God dualistic in His essence.
STF, even by your own standards, God willed to allow evil to exist. Was God in error for that? Did the serpent sneak into the Garden without God knowing and allowing it? Did God will the crucifixion, or was He overpowered by men?
FK,””I wouldn't begin to pretend to speak for God's motives, so that's off the table.””
Perhaps this might help? From Saint Aquinas ...
Well, if Aquinas is attempting to speak for God's motives then I'll take your word for it. I know that's not for me. I don't even disagree with much of what he says. God does not author evil, etc. We disagree on the sovereignty and power of men in all this. I think your side believes that if man is not sovereign or autonomous, THEN God authors evil. We don't see it that way at all.