If they love that verse to show an untruth then it just means they are ignoring the totality of scripture. The totality of scripture shows over and over that the Son and the Father are equally God
Funny how standards change! When it's sutable, we stick to one-liners. When it doesn't then we appeal to the "totality of the scriptures."
Shall I remind you that we had a little discussion about Enoch (#5296), where I asked where does it say in OT that he died and you quote Heb 11:5.
When I remarked that it not only makes no other references to the OT (where the whole thing originated), but that the OT actually says that God took Enoch and he "was no more," you answered:
Well, John 14:28 is also scripture, standalone and is plain and easy to understand, and you don't believe it. Double standards? Pick and choose?
As far as the totality of the scriptures is concerned, Jesus is quoted as saying on another occasion that the Father is greater than all, so it corroborates John 14:28's statement.
Where does the Bible say that Jesus is equal to the Father?
No, I always go with the totality of scriptures. Sometimes that encompasses many verses and sometimes it doesn't.
Shall I remind you that we had a little discussion about Enoch (#5296), where I asked where does it say in OT that he died and you quote Heb 11:5.
Not true. I quoted Heb. 11:5 in RESPONSE to this part of your statement:
Kosta: It is only in Luke's Gospel that we see inference that he never "saw" death. This is based on Talmudic myth, not on Christian scriptures, unless the Reformed consider Talmud as scripture as well.
You brought the NT into it, not me. Gen. 5 allows a reasonable inference, and Hebrews confirms it. Totality of scripture.
Well, John 14:28 is also scripture, standalone and is plain and easy to understand, and you don't believe it. Double standards? Pick and choose?
Of course I believe it. Jesus was obviously speaking in the same way that He prayed to the Father. The totality of scripture is clear that the Father and the Son are co-equal Persons of the Holy Trinity. It is when one says that one interpretation of one verse trumps 10 other verses that one gets into trouble.
Where does the Bible say that Jesus is equal to the Father?
Here are a few:
John 10:30 : "I and the Father are one."
John 17:11 : I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name — the name you gave me — so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:20-22 : 20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: ...
John 5:17-18 : 17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Phil 2:5-11 : 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
This last one explains all the verses like John 14:28. While Jesus Himself IS God, He humbled Himself to take human form and save us and teach us how to relate to God.