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To: kosta50
"I" don't say God made us, Kosta, God said it.

I believe it.

In your Reformed theology, our spiritual standing has nothing to do with our salvation either.

In Reformed theology, as Scripture tells us, our "spiritual standing" is a result of our salvation by Christ, not the cause of it.

Somehow you believe you earn your salvation by your actions, while Bible-believing Christians know that salvation is by unmerited grace through faith in Christ.

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." -- Romans 4:4-5

Faith, like all good things, is a gift from God. Saved by grace through faith in Christ.

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5

And now I fully expect you to rebute the word of God by saying Paul was a gnostic and why should you believe Paul?

And all I can say to that is --

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." -- John 10:26-29


5,394 posted on 05/07/2008 11:53:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"I" don't say God made us, Kosta, God said it. I believe it.

No, some men did who wrote the Bible. And now you are repeating what they said and claim it's God speaking. That's no different that the Muslims claiming the Koran was dictated word-by-word to Mohammad.

In Reformed theology, as Scripture tells us, our "spiritual standing" is a result of our salvation by Christ, not the cause of it

I never said it was. In the Reformed theology our spiritual standing was fixed long before Christ died on the cross. Since everyone has been assigned to either heaven or hell before they even existed, one must wonder why did Christ have to die?

Somehow you believe you earn your salvation by your actions

I never said that. Are you just throwing this in so you wouldn't answer my other questions such as "does God make your foot itch and why?"

And now I fully expect you to rebute the word of God by saying Paul was a gnostic and why should you believe Paul?

Well, is St. Paul did say (I am not saying he did) that our souls were pre-fabricated before the foundations of the world, then that would be in line with the Judaic faith that he held before he joined the Christians. That would also be consistent with the Gnostic teachings, which have often blended with many Jewish and Christian sects at that time. But, I think the Church would be adamant that St. Paul does not tech the pre-existence of the souls.

5,399 posted on 05/07/2008 6:05:50 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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