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To: Just mythoughts; kosta50; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
I am not sure what you mean when you say The mechanics really don't matter. Paul describes what I would call mechanics in Romans 9:10 - 17 regarding a history prior to this flesh age.

I was just referring to the "when", within time, God creates a soul. I was saying that God's specific intention is "as good as" existence for purposes of this discussion. The passage you cite appears to support where I am coming from.

There is no other way that it could be said that the Heavenly Father in an instant created a soul say like Esau or Pharaoh for the purpose of being hated without cause. This goes against everything that the rest of the WORD has to say about the perfection of the creation.

Are you saying that Paul contradicts Christ? I am sorry if I am misunderstanding you.

5,376 posted on 05/06/2008 7:30:42 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
Are you saying that Paul contradicts Christ? I am sorry if I am misunderstanding you.

Wellll before Paul being named Saul most definitely 'contradicted' Christ... But after Saul then named Paul attention was gotten on his way to Damascus, there is NO way that Paul would have been allowed to pen most of the New Testament were he to be contradicting Christ.

Christ told Nidocemus that to see the Kingdom of God one must be born from above.... NOT the word that some scribe or translator place *again*. Meaning for a soul to be given opportunity of ever receiving 'grace' that soul must of their own free will come through woman into a flesh body.

There were some 'souls' also called Sons of God, or fallen angels etc that left their habitation and refused to be born of woman into flesh bodies that bunch has already been sentenced to death.

The when of the creation of the souls is very KEY to understanding the role the devil played, then and what role the devil will play again and the reason for flesh bodies to have been formed ....

5,401 posted on 05/07/2008 8:34:34 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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