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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg
We look at the universe and realize what is around us (I am not sure how many believers really do, but that's another story), and they say "wow!" It's overwhelming and humbling. This causes us to ask the question we can't answer: "Who or what made it?" Obviously someone or something that existed before all this existed, which some call "God." From there on, it is God who made all this. But this is just what we believe. It doesn't mean that's what it is. It's a blind faith and it's reached by a leap of reason, but it is not baseless, that is, for no reason whatsoever.

I like what Blessed St John Damascene says so beautifully

"" It is impossible for things contrary and discordant to fall into one harmonious order always or for the most part, except under some one guidance, assigning to each and all a tendency to a fixed end. But in the world we see things of different natures falling into harmonious order, not rarely and fortuitously, but always or for the most part. Therefore there must be some Power by whose providence the world is governed; and that we call God"" -St John Damascene (De Fid. Orthod. I, 3)

I never cared for the Leap of Faith idea, especially after reading Kierkegaard's influence on it during my years studying the New Age Movement.

Lust my own personal opinion though

5,369 posted on 05/06/2008 11:48:17 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg
Correction
“Lust my own personal opinion though” should read...

“Just my own personal opinion”

One of those days where I can't type -;)

5,370 posted on 05/06/2008 11:51:26 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg
Therefore there must be some Power by whose providence the world is governed; and that we call God"" -St John Damascene (De Fid. Orthod. I, 3)... I never cared for the Leap of Faith idea, especially after reading Kierkegaard's influence on it during my years studying the New Age Movement

Yes, that power is gravity, which is inherent in all matter. There is no way for us to know if that property of matter is there by design or by chance.

Those of us who believe it is by design do so by a leap of faith.

5,379 posted on 05/06/2008 9:37:23 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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