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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Jesus told Peter what Peter was going to do before he did it.

That’s what makes him ‘know better’.

You actually believe, in a Universe (perhaps Universes) created by God, that the natural state of all things is EVIL?

Your verses are off-point here. You still have a choice to make - do you accept Christ, or don’t you.

The Holy Spirit doesn’t indwell until you make this choice. That simple.

Judas chose. Peter Chose. Cain chose. Eve chose.

You choose, unless you can’t choose, and then I don’t have a clue what happens.

You can’t wish it away - Free Will Exists.

This is DEFINITELY your view of salvation, in that this is the way you’ve chosen to read it from the Bible. I read it differently, and obviously so do many others, including the Pope, and the entire Lutheran Church.

Those churches even have CONFIRMATION. Baptism was done when you had NO CHOICE. Confirmation affirms the choice made for you, and literally ‘seals’ the deal - with oil even. On the forehead.

Your verses aren’t evidence. Satan can quote scripture too.

Unless you are telling me that your interpretation is the ONLY interpretation of the Bible that can be permitted, you are going to have to come to grips with the fact that OTHERS can, and have, interpreted it a different way.

In the end, I think it’s better to teach that the God made the Universe good, and that He loves you, and wants you to succeed, and that none of us have been dealt the Ace of Spades somehow before we were born.

We come to God because we see Christ sacrifice for what it is, and are eternally grateful for it, and that’s it.

We literally live happily ever after.

You want to teach somebody that the true nature of man is evil, and that only those predestined to be saved actually have a shot at it, and in that number, only a smaller fraction there in actually make it to being saved - that’s on you.


5,188 posted on 04/27/2008 11:30:37 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Judas chose. Peter Chose. Cain chose. Eve chose.

Yep. And who chooses well and who does not?

"Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee" -- Psalm 65:4


"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13

All glory to God, although some seek it for themselves.

5,202 posted on 04/28/2008 4:58:06 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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