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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD
Nothing happened until Mary gave her consent.

"And Mary said, 'Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.' [Luk 1:38]

Sounds like consent to me. Christian God does not rape.

Well, you read it as Mary saying: "I will grant you my grace such that I will allow you to save humanity." I read it as Mary saying: "Yes sir." If I agreed with the Apostolic theology on this I would not venerate Mary at all, I would worship her openly for she would be worth it. As you said, God was "impotent" to the task until Mary gave her permission. Perhaps you can understand better why Protestants look with raised eyebrows towards the veneration of Mary. :) If she really is everything you guys say she is, then she really would be worthy of worship.

5,160 posted on 04/25/2008 7:38:26 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD
Well, you read it as Mary saying: "I will grant you my grace such that I will allow you to save humanity." I read it as Mary saying: "Yes sir." If I agreed with the Apostolic theology on this I would not venerate Mary at all, I would worship her openly for she would be worth it

Your theology suggests that she had no will of her own. Even if she did say "Yes Sir," as you read it, it was still her decision. Otherwise what happened to her was rape. It seems, I am afraid, the Reformed theology would find that agreeable.

5,193 posted on 04/28/2008 1:50:21 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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