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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; Mad Dawg

“I suppose those of us who think God commands us to share the faith with others need a little more than that as a reason for our faith. :)”

Really? Why?


5,109 posted on 04/24/2008 4:03:45 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; Mad Dawg
Kosta: "Most Orthodox are firm believers. As such, the OT is "true" because they already believe it is true."

FK: “I suppose those of us who think God commands us to share the faith with others need a little more than that as a reason for our faith. :)”

Kolo: "Really? Why?"

Well, first because the belief Kosta is referring to (as he and I have been discussing) is blind and has no basis. It is a total "just shut up, trust me and believe" situation. :) But it's also because my impression is that most Orthodox would deny the historic facts of the OT. That is, to a much larger degree than other Christians. I couldn't imagine anyone having a reason to listen to me if my best argument was akin to: "Let me show you a bunch of stories that never happened, and then I'll tell you what they mean".

For example, without a REAL Fall, in real space-time, then how does one explain the need for Christ? Did Christ come to die for something that never happened? Another example would be Jesus celebrating the fairy tale of the Passover. Who would go for this? :) Further, if I knew nothing and just read the OT and then someone told me not to worry about all those stories about God killing because they are all lies, then I would tell that person that his faith is not found in that book (testament). It would have to be from some other source because the words say what they say.

I'm not sure what I would tell a person who asked me that if he should disbelieve the historic truth of the OT, then why should he accept the historic truth of the death and resurrection of Christ? Because the Church says so? Well, that would be a faith in the uninspired men of the Church then. I suppose since that doesn't come close to working for me, it wouldn't occur to me to argue it. :)

5,214 posted on 04/29/2008 4:49:15 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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