[Forest Keeper]

FK: "No. God TELLS us His ways to the extent He wants us to understand them. It is not exhaustive, but it is much more than nothing, which is what ants know of our ways."

No, FK, it's not the fact. The fact is that the men who wrote the books of the Bible tell us what they believed God told them, and we believe that it is true.

I don't understand. On the one hand you say you believe what the men of the Bible wrote in their books. Yet, you deny (over and over) what the men wrote in their books with your view of the Bible. This is very confusing. :)

If what you say were a fact, then everyone would be on the same sheet of music. No one is arguing whether gravity exists because gravity is a fact that affects us all.

Absolutely not. If God's plain truth was available to everyone then you would be correct. However, the Bible tells us that God's plain truth will be nonsense to those without God's saving grace. If God ordained that we needed Godly eyes and ears to accept gravity, then most people would not believe in that either.

[Quix]

Am not a hyper-Calvinist or any other type by any means . . . but

there is truth to this:

Absolutely not. If God’s plain truth was available to everyone then you would be correct. However, the Bible tells us that God’s plain truth will be nonsense to those without God’s saving grace. If God ordained that we needed Godly eyes and ears to accept gravity, then most people would not believe in that either.