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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
Kosta: Jews did not come to God because they loved him, but because they feared him!

FK: How can you possibly know that? I don't think you get what "fear of the Lord" means. Fear of the Lord and love for the Lord are very related

How so? In Orthodoxy, the fear of the Lord is the awe when we approach Him at the chalice.

The love comes from His goodness and mercy for us undeserving sinners.

The Old Testament God (with some exceptions, such as in genesis) does not exhibit the characteristics of Christ but of Zeus.

Kosta: God had to prove to them that he is the Lord by showing them what he can do to those who don't obey him.

FK: God did not HAVE to prove anything to anyone. He ordained all that happened.

Well, apparently, the OT God did not just zap Hebrews' hearts and make them believe! He found it necessary to do all sorts of tricks (i.e. changing the staff into a snake and back!) to convince the unbelieving Hebrews that He is Lord indeed.

5,069 posted on 04/22/2008 8:48:54 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis
FK: How can you possibly know that? I don't think you get what "fear of the Lord" means. Fear of the Lord and love for the Lord are very related.

How so? In Orthodoxy, the fear of the Lord is the awe when we approach Him at the chalice. The love comes from His goodness and mercy for us undeserving sinners.

But those things SHOULD be very related as I said. From Got Questions?:

For the unbeliever, the fear of God is to fear the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire." This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.

Proverbs 1:7 declares, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge…” Until we understand who God is, and develop a reverential fear of Him, we cannot have true wisdom. True wisdom comes only from understanding who God is – that He is holy, just, and righteous. Deuteronomy 10:12,20-21 records, "Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve Him and cling to Him, and you shall swear by His name. He is your praise and He is your God, who has done these great and awesome things for you which your eyes have seen." The fear of God is the basis for our walking in His ways, serving Him, and yes, loving Him.

Do you agree to this?

5,169 posted on 04/26/2008 12:54:18 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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