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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor
Tell me FK: was Hitler and his evil God's will?

Yes. And so was the Flood, an almost infinitely greater human catastrophe.

Is God the creator of Hitler and his evil?

God was the creator of Hitler, but not his evil. God doesn't have evil to instill.

Was Hitler predestined by God to exist and to be evil?

Yes, just as Judas was.

Was Hitler simply doing God's will?

On a single, narrow level "yes", but NOT in obedience. God withdrew Himself from Hitler dramatically, for His own reasons, and the results are known. In NO WAY did Hitler obey God.

Having "some" idea is not the same as knowing.

It sure CAN be. Having "some" idea is not the same as knowing IN FULL, which nobody claims. The revelation God gives us is plenty enough to "know" Him as He designed us to know Him. Your earlier comparison to our pets "knowing" us is no where close to the same thing.

FK, an offer you can't refuse is telling "I either shoot you or you jump off this building." If you believe this is how the Christian God operates, then we are a lot farther apart then I ever imagined.

I do not understand your hypo. Either way the person dies. My point was to say that the correct choice becomes crystal clear to the person such that he will make the right choice, infallibly according to God's design.

5,049 posted on 04/22/2008 4:50:47 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; irishtenor
Kosta: Tell me FK: was Hitler and his evil God's will?

FK: Yes. And so was the Flood, an almost infinitely greater human catastrophe

Actually, the Flood was God's doing. So, are you saying that what Hitler did was also God's doing? Or was Hitler doing something contrary to God's will, yet somehow it was still God's will?

PS I doubt that there were millions of people on earth in those days...so your remark that the Flood was "an almost infinitely greater human catastrophe" then Hitler (the evil of Holocaust) is somewhat bewildering, if not repulsive.

God was the creator of Hitler, but not his evil. God doesn't have evil to instill

He created Hitler so that Hitler would be evil, yet God somehow has nothing to do with it? Scrambling, hey? I make a robot that will shoot anything on sight. The robot has no choice or say about this. Is it I, the maker, who is the cause of what robot does, or is it the robot?

Kosta: Was Hitler simply doing God's will?

FK: On a single, narrow level "yes", but NOT in obedience

Oh, but was it disobedience? Was not Hitler doing exactly what God wanted him to do? How can that be disobedience?"

The revelation God gives us is plenty enough to "know" Him as He designed us to know Him. Your earlier comparison to our pets "knowing" us is no where close to the same thing

How so? They pick up on our habits and movements and know how to anticipate and how to get our attention and so on. In fact they communicate with us on their level.

They still don't understand why we do things. They have no concept of work, finances, or where the food comes from. The know their home and their family and they try their best to live according to our rules because they really have no other choice. They don't understand why we do things; they simply obey. Yet they feel loved, and face.

5,074 posted on 04/22/2008 9:49:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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