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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; jo kus; kosta50; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; ...
how it is possible for an atheist to "obey" God

Without knowing it, of course. When one listens to his conscience, he listens to God.

So when we talk about the miracles of a proposed saint we are talking about those performed after he or she departed?

Yes.

5,042 posted on 04/21/2008 6:01:30 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; MarkBsnr; jo kus; kosta50; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
FK: "... how it is possible for an atheist to "obey" God?"

Without knowing it, of course. When one listens to his conscience, he listens to God.

Well, then we have a fundamental disagreement about what the word "obey" means. By your definition, if you wish for a sunny day tomorrow, and tomorrow it is a sunny day, then God has "obeyed" you. :) Your definition simply matches wish with result, ignoring everything in between. So, all of your favorite sports teams "obey" you when they win, all doctors "obey" you when they make a correct diagnosis anywhere in the world, and even you obey your dog when you pet him spontaneously. I just don't agree with that use of the word. :)

In addition, one cannot listen if he does not have ears to hear. They come only from God and He does not give them to other than the elect. "The conscience" can either be led by God or satan. "The conscience" by NO MEANS always leads to good. I can tell you that before I was a Christian I washed many stupid decisions through my "conscience". It was a joke. My "conscience" today is through the Holy Spirit. Very different. :)

5,120 posted on 04/25/2008 4:53:20 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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