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To: HarleyD

“”But in the first Catechism that you’ve posted we saw man’s inclination was towards sin. If man has this inclination towards sin, how is it possible for man to ever overcome it unless God gives man the power and ability to overcome it? “”

By giving man a free will to choose ,not by eliminating free will like the reformers wrongfully thought.

More from the Catechism

1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.”610 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.611 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”


5,002 posted on 04/20/2008 5:03:00 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him.

This part of the Catechism I would agree with also. So would Calvin. Man is inclined to sin. Man in an unregenerate state cannot possibly freely choose to love God because, as the first part of the Cathecism stated, man's inclination is to sin. Thus God must change that nature to help man overcome this inclination.

Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren

And this is where works enter into the picture and a total misunderstanding of original sin. Man is inclined to sin. God must change that nature and that change includes caring for the poor, etc. Those are a part of the results and they have nothing to do with the Lord threatening us with hell if we refuse to do it. We want to serve the Lord. We become slaves to righteousness because He has made it so.

To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

Ah, and now we see how much the Catholic Church has moved away from original sin. In the first part man's nature was inclined towards sin. Now man must make the free choice to be with God or not with God. Doesn't this sound exactly like Pelagius error? It does to me. Either God saves you or you save yourself.

5,004 posted on 04/20/2008 5:23:57 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: stfassisi; HarleyD
To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

Amen, Brother SFA; this is the catholic and orthodox faith.

5,008 posted on 04/20/2008 7:05:38 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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