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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

No. You lead them FROM Christ. Christ founded the Catholic Church as his visible institution on Earth. He gave the keys to Peter and his successors.
Stop fighting against true Christians and repent. The Catholic Church will welcome you home to Christ. Right now you are covered in pride for doing Satan’s work.


50 posted on 01/28/2008 11:08:48 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: IrishCatholic; Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Stop fighting against true Christians and repent.

If you were shown examples of RC teaching that are clearly not Scriptural and are in violation of what Scripture teaches, would you be willing to leave the RCC, or attempt to show your fellow RC's the error and seek to change your church?

52 posted on 01/28/2008 11:17:49 AM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: IrishCatholic

There is no apostolic succession. The RCC does not have the keys to the kingdom of God. Christ built His church on Himself - He made this clear in many Scriptures including Ephesians chapter 2:

“14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”

Regarding the Bible:

The Catholic Church claims that it gave us the Bible. Is this supported by the historical evidence?

The Old Testament was written by God’s inspired prophets, patriarchs, psalmists, judges, and kings. It was faithfully copied and preserved by Jewish scribes. Modern Protestant Bibles have the same content as the Hebrew Bible.

The New Testament was written by Christian apostles. None of them were Catholics, because there was no Roman Catholic Church at the time. This was over two centuries before Constantine’s “conversion”.

The early Church did not have the New Testament as we know it. Rather, individuals and local congregations had portions of it. They would have one or more of the Gospels, some of the letters which Apostles had written, and perhaps the Book of Acts or the Book of Revelation.

Why weren’t all of these books collected in one place? Look at what the books themselves say. Individual apostles wrote them for specific audiences. For example, the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts were written for Theophilus. (Luke 1:3; Acts 1:1) Most of the Epistles were written to specific churches or to specific individuals. (Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 2 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:2; Ephesians 1:1; Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1; 1 Timothy 1:2; 2 Timothy 1:2; Titus 1:4; Philemon 1:1; 3 John 1:1)

The early Christians expected that Jesus would return for His Church at any moment. As a result, they didn’t see the need for long-term planning for future generations. Furthermore, Christians were persecuted by the Romans. When your life is in constant danger, it is difficult to collect writings which are scattered all over the Roman Empire. So it took time to collect all of these writings, decide which ones were authoritative Scripture, and make complete sets of them.

By the time of Origen (185-254 A.D.), there was general agreement about most of the New Testament. However, there was disagreement as to whether the following six epistles should be part of the New Testament canon: Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, and Jude. This was sixty years before the conversion of Emperor Constantine.

The canon of the New Testament was not formed by the decision of any Church council. Rather, the Council of Carthage (397 A.D.) listed as canonical “only those books that were generally regarded by the consensus of use as properly a canon”. In other words, it didn’t create the canon. Rather, it confirmed the identity of the canon which already existed.

So the Catholic Church did not give us the Bible. However, Catholic monks helped preserve the Bible by copying it.

The Catholic Church changed the Bible. In 1548, at the Council of Trent, it added the Apocrypha to the Bible. The apocryphal books contain passages which are used to justify some Catholic doctrines, such as praying for the dead.


53 posted on 01/28/2008 11:20:32 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Evidently, some of the RC edifice camp have failed to notice . . .

OTHERS OF US

do NOT agree with

1. the rubber history construction on reality
2. the rubber Bibled construction on reality
3. the rubber dictionary construction on reality
4. the rubber logic perspective on reality.

Restating the RC magicsterical construction on reality just doesn’t add anything to our awareness. It certainly doesn’t add anything to the dialogue.

Revisionist histories are the playpens of tyrants.

They aren’t holy.
They aren’t rational.
They aren’t constructive.
They aren’t helpful.
They aren’t Godly.
They aren’t Loving.
They aren’t useful.


62 posted on 01/28/2008 11:44:42 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: IrishCatholic

HINT.

We don’t believe that to any degree in any way, shape or form.

We find ZERO evidence for it in Scripture and in history.

DEAL WITH IT . . . and, it would be better done WITHOUT pontifical haughty diatribes.

RC’s have not the faintest corner on ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

DEAL WITH IT.


63 posted on 01/28/2008 11:49:40 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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