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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
The reprobate, whoever they are, ARE above the animals

Only if they are presumed to be in the image of God. Being that they were created to be evil that is an oxymoron.

Otherwise, the reprobate are no different than animals.

4,927 posted on 04/15/2008 7:54:52 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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FK: "The reprobate, whoever they are, ARE above the animals."

Only if they are presumed to be in the image of God. Being that they were created to be evil that is an oxymoron. Otherwise, the reprobate are no different than animals.

That is your judgment and you are entitled to it. You are the one proclaiming as fact God's motives (on behalf of Bible-believing Christians) with zero scriptural support. You are smarter than I if you are right. :) As far as being "created to be evil" goes, the Bible says that all men are born into total depravity:

Isa 64:6 : All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Matt 7:17-18 : 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. (Smashing the "we are only wounded theory".)

And from Got Questions?:

The total depravity of man is seen throughout the Bible. Man’s heart is “deceitful and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9) and the thoughts of his heart are “continually evil” (Genesis 6:5). The Bible also teaches us that man is born dead in transgression and sin (Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Ephesians 2:1-5). The Bible teaches that because unregenerate man is “dead in transgressions” (Ephesians 2:5), he is held captive by a love for sin (John 3:19; John 8:34) so that he will not seek God (Romans 3:10-11) because he loves the darkness (John 3:19) and does not understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14). Therefore men suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18) and continue to willfully live in sin. Because they are totally depraved this sinful lifestyle seems right to men (Proverbs 14:12) so they reject the Gospel of Christ as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18) and their mind is “hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so.” (Romans 8:7).

The Apostle Paul really summarizes the total depravity of man in Romans 3:9-18. He begins this passage by saying that “both Jews and Greeks are all under sin.” Simply put this means that man is under the control of sin or is controlled by his sin nature (his natural tendency to sin). The fact that unregenerate people are controlled by their selfish, sinful tendencies should not come as a surprise to any parent. What parent has to teach their children to be selfish, to covet what someone else has or to lie? Those actions come naturally from the child’s sin nature. Instead the parent must devote much time to teaching the child the importance of telling the truth, of sharing instead of being selfish, of obeying instead of rebelling, etc.

Then in the rest of this passage Paul quotes extensively from the Old Testament in explaining how sinful man really is. For example we see that: 1—no one is without sin, 2—no one seeks after God, 3—there is no one who is good, 4—their speech is corrupted by sin, 5—their actions are corrupted by sin, 6—and above all they have no fear of God. So when one considers even these few verses mentioned above it becomes abundantly clear the Bible does indeed teach that fallen man is “totally depraved” because sin affects all of him including his mind, will and emotions so that “There is none who does good, no not one” (Romans 3:12).

So, all men are evil when born. God chooses to save some. Therefore, since the graces (gifts) I am speaking of are from birth, it really is a red herring whether or not one is of the elect as to whether all men are above the animals. The graces given uniquely to all humans are given at a time when all humans are equally depraved.

4,981 posted on 04/19/2008 8:30:49 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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