[Forest Keeper]

You can't have it both ways, FK. We can't be living under a delusion of freedom if everything we do is God's will. Worse, we can't be condemned for something that was preordained before we even existed.

As I said in another post, this is an example of the Apostolic definition of freedom, that is, freedom APART from God. Real freedom for good is found WITHIN God. ....... BTW, where is the rule that says God can't preordain whom He wants to be with Him in Heaven? Would that be unfair of God if He did that?

[MarkBsnr]

***BTW, where is the rule that says God can’t preordain whom He wants to be with Him in Heaven? Would that be unfair of God if He did that?***

I really haven’t had the time lately to keep up with this most excellent discussion, but I thought I’d pop in here.

God is not fair; I don’t think that He could even be said to be just. He is merciful. When you are merciful, you are absolutely unfair and unjust. Jesus is mercy incarnate; He is merciful and instructs us to be merciful as well.

Many Protestants treasure Heb 10:31 - It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

If God is merciful, then there does not have to be fear. Kosta frequently describes the OT God as a stern, angry and vindictive oppressor. But many of the Reformers have missed Heb 10:26, which describes the conditions in which we should fear God - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

More proof that the Calvinistic model of predestination is wrong.

[kosta50]

Kosta: You can't have it both ways, FK. We can't be living under a delusion of freedom if everything we do is God's will. Worse, we can't be condemned for something that was preordained before we even existed.

As I said in another post, this is an example of the Apostolic definition of freedom, that is, freedom APART from God. Real freedom for good is found WITHIN God.

You didn't answer my questions, FK. You used this opportunity to attack the "Apostolic" definition of freedom, as being apart from God.

Evil is an expression of our freedom to choose apart from God. But the Reformed actually believe that we cannot do even evil without God's guiding hand!

If God preordained everything then there is no freedom to do anything and everything we do is God'swill; God is acting through all of us, be it good or evil!

Then how can we be condemned?