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To: stfassisi

Rev 22:13 does not mean that all creatures end in Christ Jesus. He is before all things, He is complete - we are not. He is not a galactic funnel into which birds, flowers, and people end up.

He is Supreme.


4,849 posted on 04/08/2008 7:12:09 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; stfassisi
He is not a galactic funnel into which birds, flowers, and people end up.

I don't think you'll find any argument from us there.

4,851 posted on 04/09/2008 3:17:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
“”He is not a galactic funnel into which birds, flowers, and people end up.””

This is not what is being said,Dear MWF.

Why must you twist and spin everything in such eccentric extremes?

Who do you suppose is cause of - the beginning and end of all created nature?

BTW, this does not mean that when something ceases to exist that it ends up in a galactic tunnel

More Aquinas

That God is the Cause of Activity in all Active Agents

AS God not only gave being to things when they first began to be, but also causes being in them so long as they exist (Chap. LXV); so He did not once for all furnish them with active powers, but continually causes those powers in them, so that, if the divine influx were to cease, all activity would cease.
Hence it is said: Thou hast wrought all our works in us, O Lord (Isa. xxvi, 12). And for this reason frequently in the Scriptures the effects of nature are put down to the working of God, because He it is that works in every agent, physical or voluntary: e.g., Hast thou not drawn me out like milk, and curdled me like cheese? with skin and flesh thou hast clothed me, with bones and sinews thou hast put me together (Job x, 10, 11).

Blessed Saint Augustine says this...

“The power of the Creator, and the might of the Almighty and All-containing, is the cause of the permanence of every creature. If this power ever ceased from governing creation, all the brave show of creatures would at once cease, and all nature would fall to nothing. It is not like the case of one who has built a house, and goes away, and still the structure remains, when his work has ceased and his presence is withdrawn. The world could not endure for the twinkling of an eye, if God retired from the government of it.” Saint Augustine (De Gen. ad lit. iv, 12):

4,853 posted on 04/09/2008 5:30:56 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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