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To: stfassisi

I’m more confused - this post (is it also from Aquinas?) sounds like Mormon theology - we all end up as God. He is NOT described in Scripture as “the end of all thing”. He is the Lord of all things and all creation will glorify Him at the appointed time. We do not end up in God, but with God. Not part of Him, but in His family.

Why do you try to convince me of Aquinas’ perspective anyway? No man is without error. Scripture tells us what God deems important. What man says must be tested against what God has spoken and caused to be written in Scripture.


4,846 posted on 04/08/2008 4:16:13 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Aquinas is not saying we end up as God,you’re confused

MWD-””He is NOT described in Scripture as “the end of all thing”.””

Perhaps you should read Revelation 22:13

“I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end”


4,847 posted on 04/08/2008 4:50:36 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
It's good every once in a while to come down to earth and to converse with someone who doesn't speak Aristotle.(Mind you, neither Aristotle nor Aquinas were much favored where I did my graduate stuff, so I"m kind of out of practice myself.)

Yeah, it does SOUND sort of Mormon or what I think of as "kozmic soupy". I don't thing it is though.

I don't the StFA is trying to persuade you so much as offer another, possibly useful somehow, POV.

Col 1:15b: ... all things were created through him and for him. So in that He is "that for the sake of which" all things were created, He is their end.

I would agree that the person who drools after some chiquita, or over some car, or over the prospect of having a gazillion dollars doesn't say to Himself, "I want the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God and Father of Our Lord IHS XP," in fact the pleasure, power, and security that those things promise is only found in God. Even the sense of importance and significance which seems to the unconverted to be only possible if one usurps God is filled joyously by God's love.

So the average human-type personnel may not KNOW that God is He for whom the individual was made, and end in that sense, but is also He whom the individual desires, in whom the individual desires will be satisfied, without whom no real satisfaction is possible.

I think it is in that sense that God is spoken of as our "end".

Why do you try to convince me of Aquinas’ perspective anyway? No man is without error. Scripture tells us what God deems important.

It is so true that no man is without error that no man is without error if he tries to understand Scripture all by his lonesome.

But no half-way learned Catholic seriously thinks the angelic Doctor is without error.

4,848 posted on 04/08/2008 5:02:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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