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To: hosepipe
Pope Pipus:

Man! You gotta flesh some o' this stuff out.

(Hostile way to put it: If you want to draw fire, you have to stay out of cover long enough for us to think we might have a shot.)

(Friendly way to put it: Boy? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout?)

My personal theory about ecclesia is that, yeah, as you say, it parses out to "Called out". The root verb is Kaleo. I don't know what other verbs the LXX translators had available, but they must have been aware of the similarity between kaleo and qahal.

And, en passant, I have always taken pleasure in the name some of the brethren use for themselves, "The Assembly of God", since it is so close to Qahal Adonai (Where Adonai is a reverential periphrasis for, well, you know.)

But I was left adrift by the Sabbath and the "Summary of the Law" remarks. I'd appreciate it if you'd say a little more there.

Go ahead, draw my fire. I'm such a crappy marksman I'll probably miss anyway.

While I wait, I'll work on trying to firm up my thinking on the dialectic of inclusion and solitude, of "called out" and "called together", and see if I can say something coherent.

4,762 posted on 04/03/2008 8:02:12 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ But I was left adrift by the Sabbath and the "Summary of the Law" remarks. I'd appreciate it if you'd say a little more there. ]

Scripture teaches that "the Law" is a teacher.. What does it teach?.. That "you" cannot follow the law.. especially Moses law.. For when you break one law you have broken them all.. i.e. where does it stop?.. Where does following the law stop?.. The answer is never it never stops.. the law is relentless.. it dogs your steps to the end and past the end.. NOBODY can follow the law exactly.. THAT IS what it teaches..

What then?.. Grace is required.. Forgiveness is required at some point.. How can forgiveness and the law exist together?.. By Love.. Love is the unifying factor..

Love the lord your God with everything in you, and love your neighbor as yourself.. Thats what the law SHOULD teach.. Many get bogged in between the law, forgiveness and love.. Jesus made it simple.. to those THAT learned the lessons the law teaches.. To those that didn't learn.. well their confusion will drive them nutz.. Probably in a sheep pen with others just as crazy.. You know an asylum..

4,767 posted on 04/03/2008 10:59:16 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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