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To: stfassisi; Kolokotronis; kosta50; MarkBsnr; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
FK: “”I would say that before creation, there is God. But if God has never existed and does not exist now, then do you say He is real? Or, a recent example that has been used is unicorns on Mars. We would all say that they do not exist. Is there a difference?””

Since I'm into and enjoying the study of Blessed Aquinas these days... This should help(I hope) ...... "That in Created Subsistent Intelligences there is a Difference between Existence and Essence": .....(quote from Aquinas)

Hence in Exodus iii, 14, existence is assigned as the proper name of God, He who is: because it is proper to God alone that His substance is none other than His existence.

Excellent. Shame on me for not thinking of this. God IS: "I AM". That we even exist, or can know it, is fully dependent on God existing first.

4,753 posted on 04/03/2008 3:45:09 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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“Excellent. Shame on me for not thinking of this. God IS: “I AM”. That we even exist, or can know it, is fully dependent on God existing first.”

Almost. What Blessed Thomas is saying is just what The Fathers said. God “is” or God “defines” existence. He is not saying that God “exists”, thus, “...because it is proper to God alone that His substance is none other than His existence.”


4,754 posted on 04/03/2008 3:58:06 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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