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To: MarkBsnr
Micromanagement? Are you saying that God chooses everything that we do? If I get hail damage on my car from the storm today, it’s God’s will? If I decide to go into a nudie bar or get drunk that it’s God’s will? How can I possibly sin if everything that happens is God’s micromanaged ‘plan”? Back to the old “God is the author of evil” POV?

Reformed theology, to put simply: we are who we are, what we are and where we are because God willed it.

This means the good and the evil. God created the good and the evil to fulfill His "plan." So, no person in the world that lived, lives or will ever live is anything but another cog on God's wheel, driving towards the completion of the "plan."

In other words, to God, good and evil are simply "tools" in His workshop, and to the extent that they fulfill His "plan" (which si always, of course), they are both "good."

Add to this double predestination, and you discover that it makes no difference what we do or say (even though the Bible says otherwise in no uncertain terms), our fate has been predestined by God's choice. Thus, behind Judas is really God!

Luther set out to reform Church practices, and he and his followers ended up deforming Christianity, indeed God Himself!

4,518 posted on 03/27/2008 3:50:54 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

***This means the good and the evil. God created the good and the evil to fulfill His “plan.” So, no person in the world that lived, lives or will ever live is anything but another cog on God’s wheel, driving towards the completion of the “plan.”

In other words, to God, good and evil are simply “tools” in His workshop, and to the extent that they fulfill His “plan” (which si always, of course), they are both “good.” ***

Many of the reformed clap their theological hands over their religious ears and say “la la la I can’t hear you”. The few will tippy toe around this minefield and play word games.

Most of the theology centers around the elect - they are called the children of God, the selected elite elect, and the people of God etc. etc. - but very little on those that the Reformed claim are created to be excrement in the cesspool of hell forever in everlasting torment. They are tossed off the religious cliff in a handful of sentences in such as the WCF.

I can’t even get a straight answer to the question: if God micromanages everything, then is God responsible if I go to that nudie bar or get drunk? If He is not, then God does not micromanage everything and this whole idea of “God is completely in control of everything” shatters into nothing.


4,520 posted on 03/27/2008 5:19:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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