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To: hosepipe
Somebody who professes belief in Christ and doesn't give me a lot of grief?

As a matter of fact, I'm working on that question, and I work very slowly. I wouldn't call a modern Unitarian Xtian because IF they believe in God at all, they still generally think of IHS as one heck of a good guy, ut not more than that.

Mormons are harder because as far as I can tell, they think IHS is OUR savior (or the savior of some of us), but that SEEMS to mean that He is is A savior — the savior in our cosmic neighborhood, not THE cosmic universal, only one of His kind savior.

My inclination is to have the category "Christian" be expansive and include lots of "errors" — ecclesiological, Trinitarian, Christological. I envision "Christian" as including what someone might think is a "bad Christian". It's not limited to "good Christians". And I think that for lots of reasons among which is that I wouldn't presume to say that I am a good Christian. Brilliant, charming, handsome, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound (and have you ever wondered how anyone would leap anything in MORE than a single bound?), yes. GOOD Christian? I don't think so.

But when theism or monotheism seem to be in play, I get antsy.

I ask myself,"If so-and-so cried out,'Jesus, save me!' to what extent and in what areas would he have to have the right thinking about Jesus for that cry to be 'heard'?"

That sounds all warm and fuzzy of me, I know. The cold, hard, and slick side of me asks,"What if a Jehovah's Witness, say, were outraged that there are more than 144,000 in heaven and that the Trinitarians are right? What if the Promise — which we RC's speak about as "the beatific vision" or ever increasing intimate union with God — were so unlike what he wanted that he was inclined to reject it?

My imagination is that in heaven everybody knows what I look like morally naked, so to speak. That's embarrassing! Am I brave enough to commit myself to a God who knows things about me that I have been hiding from myself for 50 years?

So the cold, slick part of me thinks that maybe at some point you have to love God not as you think He is, but as He really is. And I wonder how many people really want all that Truth.

Pretty evasive, huh?

4,307 posted on 03/19/2008 8:43:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Mormons are harder because as far as I can tell, they think IHS is OUR savior (or the savior of some of us), but that SEEMS to mean that He is is A savior — the savior in our cosmic neighborhood, not THE cosmic universal, only one of His kind savior.

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That is not accurate Mad Dawg, Jesus Christ is the Savior all of who choose to receive his gift.

It would make no sense to bestow a gift on someone who is not interested!


4,309 posted on 03/19/2008 8:52:44 AM PDT by restornu
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To: Mad Dawg

LoL.. Nah.. cute.. folksy.. maybe stand up spiritually comical but not evasive..


4,315 posted on 03/19/2008 10:24:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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