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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; wmfights
church at Antioch is a prime example of a church not run by Apostles. In fact it was run by laymen “prophets and teachers”

Besides the Apostles, the prophets and teachers are church functions appointed by God. They were not ordinary laity. They were ordained elders of the Church. As far as I remember they actually laid their hands on them before they sent them off.

It ends at chapter 16:8, the rest was added sometime later by an unknown

Yes I am well aware of that, but are you saying that the bible contains fraud, human additions and deletions, when it is supposed to be the "pristine" word of God?

Fine, if +Mark is not included, +Matthew was the real witnessed. He heard the Commission. +Luke had to "research" it and all he could come up with is eleven plus women (I suppose the women who discovered the empty tomb, and even that is controversial as to how many were there).

In fact, Matthew's Genealogy of Joseph and Luke's differ on very crucial points: Jospeh's own father's name and the number of generations and names involved. +Luke's account of +Paul's "event" on the way to Damascus doesn't agree with +Paul's own, or +Paul's account abut the division that boiled up in Jerusalem with the party of +James.

Obviously there is some issue with +Luke's research as opposed to eyewitness accounts.

In Acts 18:24-28, it is Aquilla and his wife Priscilla, tent makers, who teach Apollos the way and then he becomes a powerful teacher in Ephesus and Corinth, so much so, his following almost splits the church at Corinth

My point exactly. +Paul is adamant about women being silent in the church. Which is it? Obviously +Luke favored women. Many Christian myths did, especially virgins. We have two apostles disagreeing on the role of women.

4,222 posted on 03/17/2008 9:23:52 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; wmfights
“Besides the Apostles, the prophets and teachers are church functions appointed by God. They were not ordinary laity. They were ordained elders of the Church.”

Where do you find this in the scriptures? There is nothing that says they were “ordained” or that they were anything but laity exercising the gifts given to everyone in the church.

“Fine, if +Mark is not included, +Matthew was the real witnessed. He heard the Commission. +Luke had to “research” it and all he could come up with is eleven plus women (I suppose the women who discovered the empty tomb, and even that is controversial as to how many were there).”

But Luke says he got his information from “eyewitnesses” to the events he was reporting. A simple solution to the problem could be there were to “Great Commissions”; one taking place indoors and the other outdoors with the makeup of the audience including the same people along with others in the different audiences.

“In fact, Matthew's Genealogy of Joseph and Luke's differ on very crucial points: Jospeh’s own father's name and the number of generations and names involved.”

Matthew’s genealogy is of Joseph and Luke’s is of Mary; both being from the tribe of Judah.

“+Luke's account of +Paul's “event” on the way to Damascus doesn't agree with +Paul's own, or +Paul's account abut the division that boiled up in Jerusalem with the party of +James.”

Where is there a disagreement?

“My point exactly. +Paul is adamant about women being silent in the church.”

There is no evidence that Priscilla was teaching in the church. It says she and Aquilla “took him unto them and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly”. They took him aside and taught him privately. There is no disagreement with Paul or the early church.

4,255 posted on 03/18/2008 7:45:22 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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