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To: blue-duncan
Where do you find “God gave us the Church” in the scriptures?

Mat 16:18 "on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."

The church is the “Bride of Christ” given to Him by the Father

Ummm, where does it say that?

We are given gifts by the Holy Spirit to make disciples, not to make the church

The Great Commission was given to the eleven Apostles, not to the laity! So, I don't know who is "we" in this case.

Also the Church is hierarchical by divine appointment (cf. Eph 4:11). Not everyone has been given to evangelize or to be his own "pope."

4,193 posted on 03/17/2008 5:49:35 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; irishtenor

“Mat 16:18 “on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”

Where in that verse does it say the church was given to anyone?

“The church is the “Bride of Christ” given to Him by the Father

Ummm, where does it say that?”

Eph. 1:17-23, “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

“The Great Commission was given to the eleven Apostles, not to the laity! So, I don’t know who is “we” in this case.”

Well, Luke 24:33-50 and Acts 1 say that there many more than the eleven, including women who were given the command “that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” and “ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” Taken as a whole the “Great Commission” was given to the Apostles, disciples and to the women and Acts 2 says they all were preaching and making disciples after the promised coming of the Holy Spirit.


4,198 posted on 03/17/2008 6:27:00 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; irishtenor
The Great Commission was given to the eleven Apostles, not to the laity!

The first time I saw this I figured you were just having a bad moment so I let it go. Obviously I was wrong, you really believe this. If this is the EO position it explains a little about how the muslims came to your lands and dominated your church for centuries. You didn't have enough clergy to convert them.

Matt. 10:32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven."

4,215 posted on 03/17/2008 8:18:37 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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