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To: Marysecretary; kosta50
"I am pleased to be a Bible thumper. It’s held me in good stead and kept me on the right track. The church is the body of Christ, not the EO or RC institution. I hope you at least worship Christ instead of church fathers and its dogma."

What presumption! I'd laugh if your comment weren't so theologically pathetic. MS, look, your beliefs are not anything recognized by The Church. You may sincerely believe you have found them in the bible we gave you. I assure you you have not. You may claim that you understand what "The Body of Christ" is. I assure you you do not. I know that because I know what the men who decided on the canon of the NT believed and how they prayed. I believe the exact same things and pray the exact same way they did and The Church has done that for the past 1700 years. You don't.

Now you, despite your heretical beliefs, may be further advanced in theosis than I am. I don't know. I don't know if theosis is possible for those who refuse The Faith. I do know that by dying to the self in a life spent in a liturgical community focused on Christ in the Eucharist does indeed lead to theosis. But if theosis can be found outside The Church, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were further along than me, as I am a terrible sinner.

Further contentions with you, however, are of no spiritual profit whatsoever. I am sure you are familiar with this from Titus:

"A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject, knowing that he that is such is subverted and sinneth, being condemned of himself".

The Fathers found use for the passage on a regular basis. Its advice I"ll heed.

4,192 posted on 03/17/2008 5:45:58 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

You’re a sad case, Kolo, if you think you have ‘the truth.’ God will have the final say to all of us but loving Him and having a relationship with Him here on earth beats any church hierarchy and some of the rites you claim bring salvation. It comes by faith in Him and Him alone, not baptism, not the eucharist, not any rites. We will always disagree on those things but I trust my God to bring all of us to the truth.


4,243 posted on 03/18/2008 6:34:22 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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