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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; xzins; Lord_Calvinus; ...
We cannot relate to God on any meaningful level, except through Christ's humanity.

Does the EO teach this or is this just your personal opinion? Because it sure isn't basic Christianity.

Our fallen natures have been quickened by the Holy Spirit to understand spiritual things, the things of God...

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." -- 1 Corinthians 2:9-16

"...the things of God knoweth...the Spirit of God..."

It seems you're missing something.

Maybe this explains the EO's fixation on the material world, and things like tactile icons and priests in long robes and jeweled hats. Too bad they're missing the fact that salvation is not material, but spiritual, which is the same error the Jews made.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." -- John 4:24

4,048 posted on 03/15/2008 9:46:16 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so much for your excellent post and those beautiful Scriptures! Truly, we must walk after the Spirit not after the flesh.

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:1-9

To God be the glory!

4,051 posted on 03/15/2008 10:09:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; ...
Kosta: We cannot relate to God on any meaningful level, except through Christ's humanity.

Dr. E: Does the EO teach this or is this just your personal opinion? Because it sure isn't basic Christianity.

I am not sure if it is the official position of the Church. I do know that the Church considers God the ultimate unknowable Mystery.

1 Corinthians 2:9-16 ...

All talk, no substance. What proof does he offer? None.

It seems you're missing something

Evidence.

Maybe this explains the EO's fixation on the material world, and things like tactile icons and priests in long robes and jeweled hats

You will never miss an opportunity to mischaraterize the Church for which things of the world are but a passing moment.

4,070 posted on 03/15/2008 2:58:27 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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