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To: Forest Keeper; stfassisi; blue-duncan
Rhode Island and Massachusetts are the two biggest Catholic states per capita in the country. Not only do pro-abortionists OWN those states, but Mass. is the state that passed the law recognizing the wonder and splendor of gay marriage.

The liberalism of the RCC is probably rooted in it's historic relation to the state and the underlying teaching that members should subordinate their understanding to that of the greater institution ie., the church. Liberalism always seeks to subordinate the individual in the name of the group. Conservatism seeks to free the individual and only have the state exercise it's power to protect those freedoms.

4,037 posted on 03/15/2008 8:10:59 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan
“”The liberalism of the RCC is probably rooted in it's historic relation to the state and the underlying teaching that members should subordinate their understanding to that of the greater institution ie., the church. Liberalism always seeks to subordinate the individual in the name of the group. “”

Catholic teaching is the furthest thing away from the liberalism you're speaking of.

Liberalism grew outside of the Church and is in no way the cause of it

It is the false misunderstand of freedom that is the cause of liberalism and it is always grounded in pride.

True freedom is knowing the truth and being Free from error. It is not this false idea of freedom by being able to do what ever you please like the false self professed Catholics or any other Christian communities that endorse gay marriage ,abortion etc...

Sin is sin no matter how people try and sell it as freedom.

Those who call themselves Catholic who are liberals on Faith and Morals do not follow the teachings of the Church and are in grave danger of losing their Salvation unless they repent from this state their in

Next time,Dear WM,take the time and read what the Catholic Catechism teachings on Faith and Morals before you make such erroneous statements about the Catholic Church being liberal.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Here are some excerpts
Freedom and Responsibility

1731 Freedom is the power, rooted in reason and will, to act or not to act, to do this or that, and so to perform deliberate actions on one's own responsibility. By free will one shapes one's own life. Human freedom is a force for growth and maturity in truth and goodness; it attains its perfection when directed toward God, our beatitude.

1732 As long as freedom has not bound itself definitively to its ultimate good which is God, there is the possibility of choosing between good and evil, and thus of growing in perfection or of failing and sinning. This freedom characterizes properly human acts. It is the basis of praise or blame, merit or reproach.

1733 The more one does what is good, the freer one becomes. There is no true freedom except in the service of what is good and just. the choice to disobey and do evil is an abuse of freedom and leads to “the slavery of sin.”28

1734 Freedom makes man responsible for his acts to the extent that they are voluntary. Progress in virtue, knowledge of the good, and ascesis enhance the mastery of the will over its acts.

1735 Imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors.

1736 Every act directly willed is imputable to its author:

Thus the Lord asked Eve after the sin in the garden: “What is this that you have done?”29 He asked Cain the same question.30 The prophet Nathan questioned David in the same way after he committed adultery with the wife of Uriah and had him murdered.31
An action can be indirectly voluntary when it results from negligence regarding something one should have known or done: for example, an accident arising from ignorance of traffic laws.

1737 An effect can be tolerated without being willed by its agent; for instance, a mother's exhaustion from tending her sick child. A bad effect is not imputable if it was not willed either as an end or as a means of an action, e.g., a death a person incurs in aiding someone in danger. For a bad effect to be imputable it must be foreseeable and the agent must have the possibility of avoiding it, as in the case of manslaughter caused by a drunken driver.

1738 Freedom is exercised in relationships between human beings. Every human person, created in the image of God, has the natural right to be recognized as a free and responsible being. All owe to each other this duty of respect. the right to the exercise of freedom, especially in moral and religious matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of the human person. This right must be recognized and protected by civil authority within the limits of the common good and public order.32

I wish you Blessed day!

4,067 posted on 03/15/2008 12:35:48 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: wmfights; stfassisi; blue-duncan
The liberalism of the RCC is probably rooted in it's historic relation to the state and the underlying teaching that members should subordinate their understanding to that of the greater institution ie., the church. Liberalism always seeks to subordinate the individual in the name of the group. Conservatism seeks to free the individual and only have the state exercise it's power to protect those freedoms.

Good observation, WM. The hierarchy of the Church teaches that it has a Divine right to lead all Christians. Therefore, all Christians should submit. That is liberalism, just as you said.

4,433 posted on 03/24/2008 4:18:01 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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