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To: MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
We are not talking about parental rights, we are talking about the reversal of adoption. If I was adopted as a child, my adoptive parents are still my adoptive parents for life unless I (or they) act to undo it. If I sin, I reject God. I work to undo that adoption.

I know it is very important to you to believe that you have that level of power, that level of control. After all, you are a fully grown man and YOU make the decisions about your life. YOU say how things are going to be. You are the captain of your own ship and you will determine where she sails. I totally understand this and I know that the vast majority of humans also believe this way.

In your above you just told me that you believe that you have the power to undo what God has done, apart from God's wishes. I wonder if you have ever considered exactly what kind of power that actually is. Imagine it, you are saying that God said "x", you didn't like it, and YOU changed it to "y". I couldn't begin to comprehend the power it would take to do that, and yet you say you actually HAVE that power. This is a great difference between our faiths.

4,015 posted on 03/14/2008 7:49:54 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

***I know it is very important to you to believe that you have that level of power, that level of control. After all, you are a fully grown man and YOU make the decisions about your life. YOU say how things are going to be. You are the captain of your own ship and you will determine where she sails. I totally understand this and I know that the vast majority of humans also believe this way.***

You may wish to pick up an unabridged version of the Bible and read what it actually says about men, their roles and their responsibilities. And the consequences.

***In your above you just told me that you believe that you have the power to undo what God has done, apart from God’s wishes.***

1 Tim 2:
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This is good and pleasing to God our savior,
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who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.

Read ‘em and weep. Our understanding of Paul trumps the Reformed misunderstanding of Paul.


4,033 posted on 03/15/2008 6:01:11 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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