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To: MarkBsnr; wmfights; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; blue-duncan
We are not so bold as to be able to create our own theologies and wave them around.

Don't sell yourself short, the Magisterium has been doing it for nineteen centuries. :)

FK: ***You are adding your hierarchy to the scriptures where it is totally unsupported by text.***

Jesus created His Church - and that is fully indicated by Scripture.

I infer from the above that you think the Church has a license to declare that the Bible means whatever the men of the Church say it means. That's fine, but it does mean by definition that your Magisterium is greater (in your minds) than the scriptures themselves. Remember, for you the scriptures don't have anyone to defend them. Your men move in and declare. Of course, I already knew that this is the true position of the Church, but I've not heard it confirmed by a follower. I saw your statement as leading strongly in that direction.

4,013 posted on 03/14/2008 7:27:16 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

***I infer from the above that you think the Church has a license to declare that the Bible means whatever the men of the Church say it means. That’s fine, but it does mean by definition that your Magisterium is greater (in your minds) than the scriptures themselves. Remember, for you the scriptures don’t have anyone to defend them. Your men move in and declare. Of course, I already knew that this is the true position of the Church, but I’ve not heard it confirmed by a follower. I saw your statement as leading strongly in that direction.***

Scripture does not self-authenticate. It was written by the Church, ordered by the Church, the text was selected and the book was printed and disseminated. The interpretation of the Bible rests alone with the folks who wrote it and their successors.

Shakespeare wrote a body of works that everyone and his dog have attempted to understand. Therefore we have many thousands of understandings of his works, all or nearly all of which differ from what the author originally intended to convey. If Shakespeare had left a teaching institution specifically dedicated to teaching what he actually wrote, I submit that that body would be a lot closer than Joe Sixpack or Arnold Artsie coming up with his own understanding based upon whatever whim, mood or substance was in effect at the time.


4,032 posted on 03/15/2008 5:56:58 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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