Are you saying that we entertain the possibility that Jesus is apart from God?
No, I don't see any evidence for that. I think Kosta was saying or implying that Jesus was free to disobey the will of the Father, and I disagree with that.
FK: ***By never sinning He did everything God wanted Him to do. ***
Are you saying that you entertain the possibility that Jesus is apart from God?
No, there's no evidence for that either. :) I was trying to show that Jesus told the truth when He said He came to do the will of the Father, and that He never deviated once. Because they are not apart I don't think it was possible for Him to deviate.
Are you saying that Jesus is a separate entity from God?
The Son is a separate person from the Father and the Spirit, and they are all one in essence. Jesus has two natures, one fully human and one fully Divine.
Forest Keeper: The Son is a separate person from the Father and the Spirit...
You forgot to aqualify it by "in the Divine Economy of our salvation."
I think Kosta was saying or implying that Jesus was free to disobey the will of the Father, and I disagree with that.
Then He wasn't fully human.
I was trying to show that Jesus told the truth when He said He came to do the will of the Father, and that He never deviated once.
Then the Son is subordinate to the Father. That's Arian heresy.
Because they are not apart I don't think it was possible for Him to deviate.
If they are not apart then we can't speak of God as somehting separate from Christ, to wit your saying "By never sinning He did everything God wanted Him to do." This is the same troubling concept used by Apostle Paul when he says that "God [sic] raised" Christ. It suggests, as Mark observes, that Christ is a separate entity from God.
I would like to address this part of your post separately, as I think it may reveal some deper trinitarian and christological gaps between the Apostolic Church and Protestant communities.
If you had said that the "Son is a different persona" I would not be writing this. As you know, the Greek word hypostasis does not mean a "person" even thoughsome dictionaries may translate it as such. It really means something much closer to a persona, a projected character.
The "English" word "persona" is a Latin word transpant. It means the same thing it means in Latin! It is not equivalent to the English derivative , although, as mentioned earlier, some dictionaries will say so.
A persona is a perceived, projected character of the author or projected by an actor of a person being played.
In Greek "that which stand beneath" (hypostasis) is neither a "person" nor "substance." It is something akin to a perceived individual reality.
In the divine management of His salvation, God appears to us in three distinct hypostases. But they are one and the same God. God is simple and indivisible. God is a monad.
It is impossible to separate one from the other, Son form the Father, Holy Sopirit from the other two personae of God.
By treating them as "persons" of the same (divine) essence, or nature, we are intorducing tritheism, a multi-God trinity which is taught by the LDS cult.
This is no different than saying Kolo you and Mark are three persons of the same human nature or essence. Only if Kolo you and Mark were one and the same person behind these screen names could we say that all these screen names are not onyl separate entities on screen, but one and the same author behind it!
To us God revealed Himself as the Holy Trinity: in three distinct Hypostases. But they are all the same God.
***I think Kosta was saying or implying that Jesus was free to disobey the will of the Father, and I disagree with that.***
I keep seeing (or think that I keep seeing) statements from that would indicate that Jesus is somehow apart from God. Not out and out statements, but hints or references that could indicate that mindset. Jesus is God - the second person of the Trinity. I don’t think that such a question should even arise. God is not schizophrenic, nor does He have split personalities.
***The Son is a separate person from the Father and the Spirit, and they are all one in essence. Jesus has two natures, one fully human and one fully Divine.***
See what I mean?