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To: Mad Dawg; kosta50; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Quix; hosepipe; ...
This is very interesting. The "class" is the the group of those who have certain spiritual gifts. It's not that they have the gifts because they are in a class. (back to "not only bald, but has very little hair".) What ordination is is the bestowal by God of certain lifted [limited?] spiritual gifts.

But that looks like having man determining what the spiritual gifts are since men determine who is to be ordained. I didn't think that was possible. I have said before that if I temporary lost my mind (more than usual) and decided to go on some sort of unchristian and perverse "mission" in order to prove a point, I think I could enter a Catholic seminary and wind up being ordained as a Catholic priest. You could do the same at a Baptist seminary. We could both say whatever we needed to say and jump through whatever hoops were necessary. But then, it appears that under Catholicism I would be given spiritual gifts by (through?) other men and it would all be a fraud. That's why I would think that spiritual gifts can ONLY come from God directly.

3,624 posted on 03/07/2008 2:44:45 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Quix; .30Carbine

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3,626 posted on 03/07/2008 4:06:16 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Forest Keeper
More or less yes.

It's what "apostle" means For reasons best known to Himself God decided to delegate some stuff to human-type personnel. I wouldn't have done it, myself.

Also this is where you have to sort of pore through the catechism and lots of conciliar documents AND/OR read some "ordinals". Loosely speaking the Church tries to "discern" a "call", not issue one. The language is very much, "seeing if you have a call", not "deciding whether or not to ordain you." I suppose it's a matter of trust which one you think it actually is. And the gifts are given by God, just as God acts in every sacrament, according to His promise, we would say. The bishop doesn't make someone a priest, God uses a bishop to make someone a priest.

But where are we on the "class" issue? I don't want to get into another question if we haven't dealt with the prior one

3,628 posted on 03/07/2008 4:14:29 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Alamo-Girl; DarthVader

I have observed that

spiritual gifts can still be imparted by the laying on of hands . . .

However, NOT at MAN’s whims.


3,629 posted on 03/07/2008 4:17:30 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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