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To: Forest Keeper

***Analogies to human relationships with each other always fall ultimately short, but here it is clear that even good humans would not do what the other side supposes God does. ***

The analogy here was human adoption. The folks 2 millennia ago had a full appreciation of what adoption is and what all the ramifications were. I think that they used the term advisedly.


3,521 posted on 03/06/2008 6:56:23 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
The analogy here was human adoption. The folks 2 millennia ago had a full appreciation of what adoption is and what all the ramifications were. I think that they used the term advisedly.

I can only assume that they thought of the concept in a contemporary way that the scriptures described it. Like this:

Rom 8:14-18 : 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. KJV

There is nothing here about humans being able to rescind or opt out. That is a man-made invention which makes the Spirit's witness a LIE, BTW. Do you suppose that if the Spirit testifies of a man one day, that He should be ready to amend His testimony based on the free will of that man to throw away his adoption, and/or then regain it again the next day? Does that really sound reasonable to you? Does that really sound like what this scripture is saying to you?

3,789 posted on 03/09/2008 10:58:26 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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