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To: Alex Murphy; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; stfassisi
[From: "The Jesuits' Slaves"] ...Brother Mobberly, who served as an overseer on one of the estates, kept an extensive diary giving a bird’s eye view of the tension the Jesuits felt surrounding the issue of slavery. His diary explores the tension between Catholics, an already persecuted group, and the Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers and Methodists who were outspokenly opposed to slavery.

Wow! I went to law school at a Jesuit university (coincidently about 5 miles from where the Dred Scott decision was handed down) and had no idea about any of this. I guess they had no reason to advertise it. :)

I suppose this was just ANOTHER set of institutional "bad apples" that we are supposed to ignore. For all the supernatural powers claimed by Apostolic clergy, high and above the clergy of other Christian faiths, I would think their overall track record would be much better than it is.

3,383 posted on 03/01/2008 2:47:51 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
I suppose this was just ANOTHER set of institutional "bad apples" that we are supposed to ignore.

Aw shucks. No, do NOT ignore. We should never forget the viciousness of the best of us -- which, when true religion and power combined gave us the crucifixion.

But don't let's leave out the other ones, the ones like Bartolome de las Casas (O.P., koff koff) and those who used whatever they had to protect indigenous peoples and to work against slavery. Wheat AND tares together until the harvest.

What will the Lord of the harvest say when, having already said that wheat and tares should grow together, he hears his workers mocking his field for all the tares in it? Will he not say, "Well, I see the enemy got YOUR attention, and you pay more mind to his interference than to my word."

3,386 posted on 03/01/2008 3:53:36 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
I suppose this was just ANOTHER set of institutional "bad apples" that we are supposed to ignore. For all the supernatural powers claimed by Apostolic clergy, high and above the clergy of other Christian faiths, I would think their overall track record would be much better than it is.

It's easy to throw darts at an over 2000 year old Church and find so called members who do NOT follow the teachings ,FK.

Does this make you feel superior,Dear Brother?

Should I bring up the countless atrocities done in the name of one's personal interpretation of scripture that came out solo scripture, the foundation of protestantism?

What you should really say to yourself is ..."I am amazed that through all of the persecution and all of the sin committed by some of the sinful members who don't follow Catholic teaching- that the Catholic Church still exists"

The Gates of hell will never prevail against the Catholic Church,just as Christ promised.

3,388 posted on 03/01/2008 7:01:50 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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