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To: Mad Dawg
Longer answer: you guys don't take the Incarnation the way we take it.

Aside from Mary's role, what is our difference about the Incarnation? And, how does this relate to predestination vs. foreknowledge?

3,374 posted on 02/29/2008 7:04:21 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
I can't do the issue justice, (ever, really, I ain't that smart) I can't even mount a plausible pretense of doing it justice for a couple of days. I'm booked.

First off, any appeal to "common sense" always gets my attention and leads me to question that thing which the writer says we all know.And, as we "eternalists" (Have I invented a new school?) say, God doesn't "FOREknow", he KNOWS, for all times are "now" to Him (we think.)

I would love your guy to read Whitehead (whom I deplore) because whitehead disagrees with me about eternity and disagrees with your guy that God knows what's going to happen next (though I think Whitehead would give Him the ability to make better guesses than the rest of us.)(Whitehead was WAY too hard for me, and the little I thought I understood, I didn't like.)

The Incarnation thing is about (1.a) what it was that became incarnate, and (1.b) from where, so to speak, he became incarnate, and about (2) how great was the self-emptying that Incarnation, AND (3) that the Incarnation -- the "work of Christ", His whole earthly life from conception to Ascension -- is, inter alia, revelatory. You wanna know Who God is? Look at IHS. You wanna know what omnipotence and bliss are? Look at an infant or a man being tortured to death. Like that.

SO I'm circling around the issue. And what I discern through the darkening vitreous humor of my aging eyes is that somehow in the Love which is the Trinity there is something which to the eyes of human minds looks like yielding. If it were not so, He would not have come among us as a baby and died among us as a victim, immobilized by nails, ropes, and cross.

That's my sketch. I may never be any more articulate about it than that, but that's where I'm trying to head, okay?

3,385 posted on 03/01/2008 3:41:51 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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