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To: Quix

***I doubt Michaelangelo started out intending the Pieta to be an idol. It has sure become so. What I didn’t understand was with both Christ and Mary in the statue, Mary seemed to get more attention, adoration, worship from the pilgrims.***

Veneration, sure. We appreciate so very much what she did for us in bearing the Christ child, in raising Him to adulthood and standing by Him during His passion. I don’t believe that it is worship; none of the folks that I know worship Mary. But we are so absolutely grateful to her for what she has done for all of us.

***Certainly not all pilgrims prostrated themselves before this or that. But some did.***

I imagine that when first faced with such a holy place, people will do what their hearts lead them to do. I have been in many holy places - the Dom in Koln (second only to St. Peter’s in Europe) almost overwhelmed me when I entered. I felt God’s presence everywhere in that cathedral to the greatest degree that I have ever felt it. I almost prostrated myself on the spot just upon entering.

***The facts will either be ignored, dodged or some such and some minutae will be siezed on instead.***

There is a difference between facts and beliefs. One’s beliefs do not necessarily coincide with established facts. And vice versa.


3,362 posted on 02/29/2008 5:57:49 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I have prostrated myself in moments/places of worship as well.

But never TO an idol or anything or anyone else but God.

There may have been once as an act of submission to a Pastor but I deeply regretted it immediately.

The admission was that those who prostrate themselves before a statue of Mary would be worshipping her. I have seen such . . .

That’s the point.

Dance around it to your heart’s content.


3,364 posted on 02/29/2008 6:03:48 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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