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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; Alamo-Girl
Well, your Church has presumed to Canonize thousands of Gentiles as Saints. So, if anyone claims it is a fact that SOME Gentiles are saved it is your own Church. :)

"My" (Orthodox, not personal) Church does not canonize saints as they are canonized in the west (proof of miracles and what not). Orthodox Saints are those who are venerated because the faithful have recongized the goodness of Christ in them (their life, suffering for faith, extreme humility, etc. all Chirst-like characteristics). Orthodox saints are "sainted" when people spontaneously begin venerating them, not when the "Church" decides they are saints.

But we don 't presume than anyone is saved, for we don't know their whole book. Only God does. Saying that anyone is saved is claiming what only God knows by His own judgment.

3,355 posted on 02/29/2008 2:06:46 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
But we don 't presume than anyone is saved, for we don't know their whole book.

Not even the Mother of God? Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't know if it's dogmatic or not) but I thought that the Orthodox held the Blessed Virgin to be perpetually sinless. If this is the case, then how can you not presume that she is saved?

3,359 posted on 02/29/2008 4:14:10 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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