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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
The Church is the real center of the Apostolic faith, imo.

The gathering of the faithful is where Christ is. That is His Church. But anyone who calls "Lord, Lord" can not be the Church and believe all sorts of things, for that would make God's church relative, and that is the sin of universalism and ecumenical relativism, which comes, naturally, from Protestantism and Protetsant-like mindedness.

This sounds forced to me for the sole purpose of eliminating the possibility of having a "personal" relationship with God.

No, it is perfectly passable for two human beings to establish a "relationship" without physically meeting and touching. But we are to talking about two human beings. We are talking about a relationship between the Shepherd and the sheep. What does the sheep really know about the Shepherd? Not much. Hardly a "personal relationship," more like a master and a pet, except in the case of God, infinitely more distant and separate.

However, He DOES speak to me.

He does He? How? What does He sound like? Does He say "FK" and you respond "Here I am God..."? And he says "why are you persecuting my Church?" And do you get blinded and fall down on the ground and beg to know who this is? Or do you just have a friendly "chat" while you are driving? "What's up with these snowstorms, Daddy?" (I believe Quix calls God the Father "Daddy," how "cute"), and He says "What do you want me to do with the weather...FK, my adopted son?"

I tell Him things I wouldn't tell anyone else because I trust Him, not because I "have to". To be honest, I can't imagine being able to love any God with whom I did not have a personal relationship

Well, if He knows everything you do and think and want and say, what choice do you have? That's not a personal relationship by choice, but by fiat. If you can't beat'em, join'em. So, yes you "have to" otherwise He knows you are lying and because you believe that everything you do is because He wants you to do!

3,352 posted on 02/29/2008 1:59:59 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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... (I believe Quix calls God the Father "Daddy," how "cute"), ...

That's what "Abba" means, Kosta. It is also another excellent illustration of the personal and familial relationship God wants to have with us. When referring to someone else's father, the word would be "ab". But with the addition of "ba" it would only make sense to refer to one's own father, "Daddy". This is the family of God. Only believers can properly say "Abba, Father".

3,551 posted on 03/06/2008 12:15:55 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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