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To: Zero Sum
""My question dealt with how you justify destroying things under the auspices of the magisterium. Because God told them to? How do you know? Did God give them an explicit, “secret” command to destroy things held by others who claimed to have a “secret” knowledge?""

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus says, “I will build my “Church” (not churches).

What other Churches do you think Christ was talking about?

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - Jesus gave the apostles binding and loosing authority. But this authority requires a visible Church because “binding and loosing” are visible acts. The Church cannot be invisible, or it cannot bind and loose.

So, Jesus gave authority to bind or destroy certain things

“”Then how, pray tell, do you intend to enforce it?””

Education and Prayer and not being afraid of persecution to publicly speak out against evil

If it saves even one soul it is worthwhile to lay down your life for them if it leads them away from evil.

“”I am a great sinner, and I am in no position to sit in personal judgment of anyone. “”

I am too and it is only through extreme humility that Christ can even begin to use me.

“”Constantine commanded that the writings of Arius and his friends should everywhere be delivered up to be burned; concealment of them was forbidden under pain of death””

Constantine was not part of the Magesterium of the Church and was branded a heretic by the Early Church fathers( I can provide the writings that prove this if you wish) because he did not believe in the Divinity of Christ.

Constantine only legalized Christianity and thankfully he was only baptized on his deathbed.

It’s been over 2000 years and the catholic Church still stands as the Pillar and foundation of truth. The Gates of hell has not prevailed just as Christ promised

Isa. 35:8, 54:13-17 - this prophecy refers to the Church as the Holy Way where sons will be taught by God and they will not err. The Church has been given the gift of infallibility when teaching about faith and morals, where her sons are taught directly by God and will not err. This gift of infallibility means that the Church is prevented from teaching error by the power of the Holy Spirit (it does not mean that Church leaders do not sin!)

3,144 posted on 02/26/2008 5:03:57 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi; Heretic; apostate; Whosoever
[ Constantine only legalized Christianity and thankfully he was only baptized on his deathbed. ]

Constantine did more than that.. He forced the population of pagans to become christians by force if need be.. which demanded priests like they had before.. You know to organize everything..

Which the population didnt seem to care much since they worshiped idols anyway.. more or less.. I suspect less. The romans were known (many) to adopt the gods of the people they conquered takeing the problem of my god(roman gods) against your god out of the picture, somwhat. That way the conquered didnt rebel as much..

Constantine forced christ on pagans as the State sponsored religion.. Roman christianity then became somewhat nominal for most all but not all.. Nominal christians today are more or less about the same.. ceremonial acts of show.. the flesh masquerading as spirit.,

3,151 posted on 02/26/2008 6:02:38 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: stfassisi
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - Jesus gave the apostles binding and loosing authority. But this authority requires a visible Church because “binding and loosing” are visible acts. The Church cannot be invisible, or it cannot bind and loose.

So, Jesus gave authority to bind or destroy certain things

Even if you take that passage as the establishment of infallible Petrine authority, nowhere does it say "destroy."

ZS: Then how, pray tell, do you intend to enforce it?

SFA: Education and Prayer and not being afraid of persecution to publicly speak out against evil

If it saves even one soul it is worthwhile to lay down your life for them if it leads them away from evil.

Well said, and that's exactly what we are called to do as Christians (and I fall far short.) This has nothing to do with violent and destructive censorship.

Constantine was not part of the Magesterium of the Church and was branded a heretic by the Early Church fathers( I can provide the writings that prove this if you wish) because he did not believe in the Divinity of Christ.

I'm well aware, but the "pain of death" part stuck out at me. Did the Roman Catholic Church oppose the death penalty then as it does now?

3,160 posted on 02/26/2008 6:33:01 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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