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To: blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor
Both knew who he was so they must have had some knowledge of the scriptures to know him as “Lord” his “kingdom” and “Son of God” and his message.

The term "Lord" does not exclusively mean God in the Bible. The Son of God is a title given to angels and kings. It does not have the Christian meaning.

The thief on the cross could have been pulling Pascal's wager, since he had nothing to lose.

Jesus did not go to paradise on that day, and what would he do in paadise?

This is also contrary to Luke's obvious belief in Hades/Sheol (Luke 16:19-31), rather than paradise. Then seven chapters later he believes in paradise!? And he is telling us that God went to paradise on that day? Yet they alos tell us Christ didn't even resurrect for three days.

3,054 posted on 02/25/2008 9:42:30 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Quix; wmfights; Forest Keeper; ...
[ This is also contrary to Luke's obvious belief in Hades/Sheol (Luke 16:19-31), rather than paradise. Then seven chapters later he believes in paradise!? And he is telling us that God went to paradise on that day? Yet they also tell us Christ didn't even resurrect for three days. ]

Well K-man... they didnt have any christian seminary's in those days{cough}.. I have a friend that (proverbially) tears his clothes and throws dust in the air over God demanding the Israelites comit genocide with the Amalikites and other times and places in degrees.. Yet he knows nothing about the Amalikites.. and their heinous cultural practices.. And the Israelites themselves were fairly "raw' in humanity themselves..

Its easy to "accuse" the Apostles of ugh!.. dullness in becoming comfortable with a spiritual life even with the Holy Spirit as guide.. My experience and many I fellowship with have had the same kind problems with deep spiritual "truths".. (concepts).. Example; John ch 10 just opened up to me in a new deeper way recently.. than ever before.. No doubt the Apostles had some of the same problems.. You see... having the Holy Spirit as guide and listening with "both ears" can be tough.. Its wonderful that John was not Luke was not Paul was not Mark was not Matthew was not Moses etc.. We all see darkly as I beleive we are supposed to.. Each of our lives is unique in a thousand individual way.. What a plan that God would test his plan(s) though millions of different iterations..

3,063 posted on 02/26/2008 12:59:55 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; Alamo-Girl

“The term “Lord” does not exclusively mean God in the Bible. The Son of God is a title given to angels and kings. It does not have the Christian meaning.

The thief on the cross could have been pulling Pascal’s wager, since he had nothing to lose.”

The centurian was a Roman soldier. What would he know of the special language of the despised Jewish faith?

Following your logic, Jesus was wrong when he said that the thief would be with him in paradise since the thief didn’t believe in him as Jesus said was a requirement for eternal life. He would not be in paradise as a thief.

Luke, as a historian, was being accurate in his description of the witnesses reporting of the events so he would mention paradise, even if he didn’t use that term.


3,070 posted on 02/26/2008 3:41:59 AM PST by blue-duncan
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